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Old 06-14-2013, 06:42 PM
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I work for XJT too but do not think that this is anything to be worked on UNLESS it is in the JCBA. If theres retro in there for me, a raise, better job protection and benefits, and ZERO concession in any area I may vote yes, but I spent two years on the street and nobody helped me. This is a selfish industry, were all in it for ourselves, the sooner you realize that and accept it the easier it becomes to manage your dissapointment.
Did you just mention retro?

Might as well ask for a unicorn too!
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mking84
I work for XJT too but do not think that this is anything to be worked on UNLESS it is in the JCBA. If theres retro in there for me, a raise, better job protection and benefits, and ZERO concession in any area I may vote yes, but I spent two years on the street and nobody helped me. This is a selfish industry, were all in it for ourselves, the sooner you realize that and accept it the easier it becomes to manage your dissapointment.
I have no disappointment. If I spend 2 years furloughed, I won't expect anyone to help me. I have always lived way below my means, and consequently have few regrets. I believe that what you get is directly proportional to what you put in. As such, all my days are good ones regardless of what happens here. From your comments, I would expect you to be a constant complainer who won't be happy no matter what happens because you truly don't care about anybody but yourself. Life is too short man.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:17 PM
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How soon after achievement of a JCBA would there be an ISL and cross- bidding?

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Old 06-15-2013, 03:37 AM
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How soon after achievement of a JCBA would there be an ISL and cross- bidding?

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The document released yesterday specified that the two sides would bid differently for up to 2 years after the JCBA, if I recall correctly. I would think it would occur at the same time, so my guess is 2 years.
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Old 06-15-2013, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
How soon after achievement of a JCBA would there be an ISL and cross- bidding?

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The document released yesterday specified that the two sides would bid differently for up to 2 years after the JCBA, if I recall correctly. I would think it would occur at the same time, so my guess is 2 years.
The two sides will bid differently for the life of the JCBA IF there is a JCBA.

Parallel tracks, what I've been saying they should have agreed to long ago. But people kept saying the company would never go for that. Well, here we are.

And to answer the question, ISL will happen about 6 months after ratification IF there is ratification.
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Old 06-15-2013, 04:58 AM
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How soon after achievement of a JCBA would there be an ISL and cross- bidding?

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Do you mean bidding schedules or positions? If the memo yesterday with the blurb about two years of parallel bidding is any indication, it sounds to me like they're considering at least two year fences. But of course, none of this has been "officially" discussed yet since the SLI committee hasn't "officially" met, and the above is just my speculation, not anything I "heard".
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Old 06-15-2013, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
How soon after achievement of a JCBA would there be an ISL and cross- bidding?

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Do you mean bidding schedules or positions? If the memo yesterday with the blurb about two years of parallel bidding is any indication, it sounds to me like they're considering at least two year fences. But of course, none of this has been "officially" discussed yet since the SLI committee hasn't "officially" met, and the above is just my speculation, not anything I "heard".
The two years only applies to the LXJT side. It will be dual tracks for the length of the JCBA.
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The two years only applies to the LXJT side. It will be dual tracks for the length of the JCBA.
Hmm. My read on that was two years, then all on Flightline or all on SmartPref.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:40 AM
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I don't think the month to month bidding software will affect the fences or lack of fences in a JCBA. I really don't know what they are going to do with that one but the way Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan did it was just idiotic. Over half the pilot group had to go through training on a new airplane in such a short period that it hurt the company financially. I hope they do it intelligently.
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I don't think the month to month bidding software will affect the fences or lack of fences in a JCBA. I really don't know what they are going to do with that one but the way Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan did it was just idiotic. Over half the pilot group had to go through training on a new airplane in such a short period that it hurt the company financially. I hope they do it intelligently.
Well the "dual qual" issue is headed that way. It's going to cost them a boat load of money to put every pilot on the ASA side through the sim. They may think they can just slide it through on the next training cycle like they did with the FO ATPs, but I think a lot of our "older pilots" are going to struggle. Especially is they haven't flown the 200 in a decade.
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