AtlCSIP

So when, exactly, did I ever say, or even elude to the possibility, that it is the pilots job to keep the company profitable? Never. I said I wanted to work for a profitable company, because I would like to remain employed. I actually enjoy my job, and would like to continue to do it here until Delta calls. I can't do that, and neither can you, if we don't have a profitable company. I have not quoted specifics, or eluded to knowing any of the facts pertaining to our TA. I was, however, involved in business for 20 years prior to coming here where I was responsible for multi million dollar projects, so I think when I suggest that we need to look at the entire TA objectively, I have some unique life experience that lends considerable credibility to that statement. I'm not a kool aid drinker, but I am a realist who has had to make payroll every Friday. It makes you look at things differently.

stoki

Do guys on the ERJ side have access to Delta load info?

Thinking of jumpseating somewhere intl on Detla, but not sure the loads, or if we can check them, or if that is only for the ASA side or Delta Connect side.

Rgds.

AtlCSIP

We access load info through TravelNet. If you don't have access to that, where are you trying to go, and when?

PM sent.

Nevets

Why are you so stuck on dating ASA bought XJT? Skywest Inc bought XJT, not both.

Nevets

Question: after reading the TA (whenever that happens), if you think it's too rich and will make this company unprofitable, will you vote no?

Red97Vette

I don't think you will see one that is too rich. If you do, no one is going to be turning it down. Then again, your not going to be seeing too many "rich" contracts in this industry. If you do, start looking for another job in a few years, all the bottom feeders are going to be snatching up everything you have when the next contract or RFP comes up.

Then again, screw it, lets just get the best contract ever, I say 100% pay raises, 200% for everything credit, 100% 401k match, 20 days off a month, no one works weekends, no reserve for anyone, all 3 day trips, $5/hr per diem. Or wait, is this not enough? I think I hear reacharound screaming from the corner thats its BS and we deserve more... We are a regional for god's sake, we need everything mainline has, then more.

Klopek1

As abrasive as "reacharound" can be, he's got a point. It's not the pilot's job to look out for the company. What you're proposing sounds dangerously like a race-to-the-bottom mentality. Should we give up QOL just because the other guys do it?

It's naive to think we're all asking for a bulletproof, insanely exaggerated contract like that. But, why should we accept anything worse than what we currently have? Where does it end? Are you saying we should all take pay cuts to compete? Should we get rid of cancellation pay? Maybe we shouldn't get paid for deadheads? Or ferry flights should be 50%? Maybe captains and FOs should be paid the same? Maybe reserves shouldn't get a monthly guarantee? Etc...

I think it's in our best interest to look out for our own best interest.

Red97Vette

Im sorry if us at ASA have such a terrible contract compared to you. We get cancellation pay, we get paid 100% for DH and ferry flights, Captains obviously get paid far higher.. You are taking it to the other extreme. We want something better than what we have, not something worse, you don't need to suggest GoJet style crap. We just dont want something thats head and shoulders above the whole industry, look at Comair. This isn't a normal industry with normal treatment of employees, its crap, but if you want something better go to mainline. Otherwise all you do is price your self out of a job. No one wants to stay at a regional their whole life, so dont act like if you dont get a great contract your whole life is ruined, things will get better but not if you the highest priced guy in an outsourced industry.

JustAnotherPLT

I think a lot of the CRJ guys are making perfect sense. No one is saying what we have now will suffice. We want better pay and QOL like you ERJ guys. We just know better not to expect the moon. When your company competes against other regionals for the same flying, it makes it difficult to get that 747 CA pay flying a 50 seat RJ. Until our company sells its own tickets, we are just a contract worker feeding off the breast milk of another company.

Yes to pay raises
Yes to better QOL
No to the moon
Yes to getting the F out of this god forsaken regional!

Cheers

AtlCSIP

Actually, Klopek, it is our responsibility to look out for the company on every leg we fly. That doesn't mean we are responsible for the company as a whole, but taking responsibility for what we do have control over is important. Like my grandma used to say, "you got to dance with the one that brung ya!". If you take money from ExpressJet (either side), you have a responsibility to ExpressJet. If you aren't willing to accept that responsibility, you shouldn't take the money.

As far as our contract is concerned, we all want the best contract we can get. Most of the guys I have spoken to just want to make sure that as we make QOL gains, we don't price ourselves out of the market. While most of us would like to go to a major, we would also like to remain employed until then.