newarkblows

Unfortunately I do agree that delaying a contract will hurt the pilot group in the long term as the company bids on flying. The company is very powerful and will probably prosper no matter how many airplanes it operates but we directly benefit by more aircraft and a larger company. On the other hand, I wont take another concessionary contract or bend over for a management team that knows it can make money even if we were 10% more expensive. A company that has an entire department devoted to reduced circus tickets and employee raffles with a "department president" can afford to pay more then $23 dollars an hour for a first year pilot.

We aren't a small company with weak finances. They want us to be the largest regional with one of the top 5 largest fleets of any airline worldwide. How can we be that airline and yet in our new contract they are actively trying to cut our retirement match in HALF. The company is shooting for the moon with this contract and they fully intend to watch us work for pennies while they reap the rewards.

I vote no out of spite... I wont deadhead for 50% pay, I wont deadhead without a positive space listing, I wont see my retirement match cut in half, I wont see my scheduling section of my contract gutted and replaced by an unknown quantity that our union will be arbitrating for years with an unfair and lengthy railway labor act process, and I wont see my medical benefits which are already **** poor be cut once again. TO even come to the negotiating table and propose any of those things with a straight face is completely asinine and yet they have. All of those things have huge ramifications on our way of life and yet certain members of both MEC's want us to "play ball." They aren't asking us to play ball they are beating us in the nuts with the bat. That is why I will vote no.

Vertisch

I simply cant help agreeing with you.

AtlCSIP

One big problem we have is that too many people are making assumptions on what the TA will say, and have already decided their vote without actually seeing the TA. I have heard quite a few people say something along the lines of "I can't wait till we see it so I can vote no!", which is a very narrow minded attitude. We have to see it first, then we have to vote based on the entire content. In my opinion, the most important thing is having a job with a profitable, sustainable company. Yes, I want all we can get, but only to the extent we stay viable. Good contracts with great gains don't matter in bankruptcy. Ask Pinnacle.

afterburn81

Totally agree. I keep reading people stating specific details about contract negotiations and wonder where the heck they got that info. There aren't many people that get to see what goes on behind that door so I'm sure not much has leaked out. I have personally asked a few guys if they had any details on anything and they won't budge. Little hints here and there but nothing definitive.

Hopefully anyone reading this has enough common sense to hold back their frustration and opinions of what posters are writing in this thread. No one has any real details so I wouldn't hold any credibility to what you hear. What until the details come out. Then feel free to get all crazy and stuff.

goaround2000

Let's see if can be clear enough with you and all the other institutionalized pilots on the CRJ side:

IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE PILOTS TO KEEP THE COMPANY PROFITABLE, IT IS MANAGEMENT'S JOB.

Therein the two differences in cultures. The crj side is drowning in the kool aid, and yet no one can publicly post any numbers that support that the ERJ contract (and further gains) are not cost effective. On the ERJ side we understand that the job of the pilot is to fly the aircraft safely within company policies and guidelines, not keeping the company afloat, Jerry gets paid a lot more money than we do to manage this "thuper" regional.

Red97Vette

ie, thats why they are fighting "you" when it comes to your desired even higher industry leading contract. Presumably, because its their "job" to keep us profitable is this cut-throat industry.

Red97Vette

"if" AMR decides to award XJT flying for eagle, I doubt it would be ERJ's (50's). Eagle already operates CRJ's as well. More than likely it would be 7/9's, as ERJ's are going the way of 'ol yeller.

lakehouse

I disagree on this, I think they want to get rid of the 50 seat or less planes they (amr) own. They will bid that out since those airplanes are starting to pop up in surplus again and the price will drop for feed on them.

The 175s I think are coming will most likely be majority at Eagle since AMR will be trading the leases now for them, and they will be responsible for them, thus my gut is at Eagle.

N927EV

XJT is just as expensive, if not more than eagle. Why would amr choose them as a feed? It'll probably be the bottom feeders who win out.

Confused

Why are you resorting to personal attacks on people?

Making fun of him for how long of an upgrade they have, something out of his control.

If you are so amazing why don't you focus on getting a job at a major or something, not throwing your wait around the RJ forums.

You're pathetic man. Nice avatar......