What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-28-2012, 09:53 AM
#271
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That's fine for now. However, once there is no providers, due to other companies on a massive opt out to save cost, there will be no UHC provider and the company and us for that matter will have no choice. The whole point is I would do the same if I had a company that provided coverage. It would be cheaper for me to pay the fine then continue coverage. So yes for now you can keep your insurance/doctor for now. that is true. However, in time that will no longer be the case.
06-28-2012, 09:56 AM
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Not yet. But in the next 3 to 4 years there will be. Once all the health care providers go out of business, due to lack of business, we will have no choice. im impressed that you read all 2500 pages of the bill to know that for sure. this was also stated that this would not be a tax, well it is now.
So how bout ASA/Expressjet, guys? That IS what this thread is about, right? I confused it for a political debate. Maybe I'm in the wrong thread?
06-28-2012, 10:03 AM
#273
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From the latest Jetstream:
"2) As a result of the new ATP requirement for pilots in part 121 operations, what will be the impact on pilot supply for part 121 operations? For part 135 operations? For part 141 pilot schools? For Part 142 training centers?
The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment."
Of course, the company could be completely lying...this was their response to the HR5900 NPRM. Tighten the supply of cheap labor and of course the company would say something like this...Food for thought though...
"2) As a result of the new ATP requirement for pilots in part 121 operations, what will be the impact on pilot supply for part 121 operations? For part 135 operations? For part 141 pilot schools? For Part 142 training centers?
The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment."
Of course, the company could be completely lying...this was their response to the HR5900 NPRM. Tighten the supply of cheap labor and of course the company would say something like this...Food for thought though...
Anyway, that seems pretty misleading.. Just because 40% of the pilots the company actually hired wouldn't have qualified, it doesn't mean there were not pilots they chose not to hire that were qualified. For example, there were four people in my interview group in Atlanta. I think I was the only one of the four that was hired, but at least two of the others already had plenty of flight time. Now, maybe they bombed one part of the interview process that I didn't hear about, but some of the interview is obviously subjective, so it's not as if we would be 400 pilots short if we already had to hire people qualified under the new law.
That being said, I hope everyone struggles with staffing next year - it's the only thing that will drive up wages and benefits. However, if the industry runs to Congress whining "hey, we are unable to find pilots!" and is able to get the law changed, we can kiss that goodbye. Of course, what they really mean is not, "we are unable to find pilots," it's "we are unable to find CHEAP pilots." God forbid the general public have to pay about $5 more per ticket, because that's really all it would take to very significantly increase our compensation to reasonable levels. Why this scares the crap out of the airlines I have no idea, but the supply/demand curve can't be that tight. I mean, the government is happy to charge $30-50 in taxes per ticket already...
I just spoke to someone commuting up to ORD that's getting ready to quit her regional job to go back to flight instructing, because she can make twice as much and be home every night. When teaching in 95 degrees in a beat up old 172 is more attractive than flying a 50-seat or more jet for an airline, we know the industry has reached its bottom.
Enough is enough - if things don't work out or the airlines find a way to lobby congress to head off the shortage, or increase retirement age again, there will at least one less pilot you guys have to compete with for a job (me). I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
06-28-2012, 10:03 AM
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This will affect the asa/expressjet guys. This company is looking for ways to save cost. well today they just got thier wish. All they have to do is wait a few years and it will work itself out. it will affect us in time because right now we have pretty good coverage.
06-28-2012, 10:07 AM
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Which Jet Stream was that in? I didn't see it in June's...
Anyway, that seems pretty misleading.. Just because 40% of the pilots the company actually hired wouldn't have qualified, it doesn't mean there were not pilots they chose not to hire that were qualified. For example, there were four people in my interview group in Atlanta. I think I was the only one of the four that was hired, but at least two of the others already had plenty of flight time. Now, maybe they bombed one part of the interview process that I didn't hear about, but some of the interview is obviously subjective, so it's not as if we would be 400 pilots short if we already had to hire people qualified under the new law.
That being said, I hope everyone struggles with staffing next year - it's the only thing that will drive up wages and benefits. However, if the industry runs to Congress whining "hey, we are unable to find pilots!" and is able to get the law changed, we can kiss that goodbye. Of course, what they really mean is not, "we are unable to find pilots," it's "we are unable to find CHEAP pilots." God forbid the general public have to pay about $5 more per ticket, because that's really all it would take to very significantly increase our compensation to reasonable levels. Why this scares the crap out of the airlines I have no idea, but the supply/demand curve can't be that tight. I mean, the government is happy to charge $30-50 in taxes per ticket already...
I just spoke to someone commuting up to ORD that's getting ready to quit her regional job to go back to flight instructing, because she can make twice as much and be home every night. When teaching in 95 degrees in a beat up old 172 is more attractive than flying a 50-seat or more jet for an airline, we know the industry has reached its bottom.
Enough is enough - if things don't work out or the airlines find a way to lobby congress to head off the shortage, or increase retirement age again, there will at least one less pilot you guys have to compete with for a job (me). I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
Anyway, that seems pretty misleading.. Just because 40% of the pilots the company actually hired wouldn't have qualified, it doesn't mean there were not pilots they chose not to hire that were qualified. For example, there were four people in my interview group in Atlanta. I think I was the only one of the four that was hired, but at least two of the others already had plenty of flight time. Now, maybe they bombed one part of the interview process that I didn't hear about, but some of the interview is obviously subjective, so it's not as if we would be 400 pilots short if we already had to hire people qualified under the new law.
That being said, I hope everyone struggles with staffing next year - it's the only thing that will drive up wages and benefits. However, if the industry runs to Congress whining "hey, we are unable to find pilots!" and is able to get the law changed, we can kiss that goodbye. Of course, what they really mean is not, "we are unable to find pilots," it's "we are unable to find CHEAP pilots." God forbid the general public have to pay about $5 more per ticket, because that's really all it would take to very significantly increase our compensation to reasonable levels. Why this scares the crap out of the airlines I have no idea, but the supply/demand curve can't be that tight. I mean, the government is happy to charge $30-50 in taxes per ticket already...
I just spoke to someone commuting up to ORD that's getting ready to quit her regional job to go back to flight instructing, because she can make twice as much and be home every night. When teaching in 95 degrees in a beat up old 172 is more attractive than flying a 50-seat or more jet for an airline, we know the industry has reached its bottom.
Enough is enough - if things don't work out or the airlines find a way to lobby congress to head off the shortage, or increase retirement age again, there will at least one less pilot you guys have to compete with for a job (me). I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
06-28-2012, 02:02 PM
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Just maybe it will mean the commuters start raising the starting pay to attract people into the profession. Those who really want that proverbial "golden" ring won't have a problem getting in the time. If you are not in the military there are plenty of banners to tow, people to instruct, fish to spot, bush to fly 
etc. to get the time for the ATP. Sort of like it was back in the 80's when you had to have a couple thousand hours to get on at a commuter. Hopefully the shortage is real and pay to work never returns.
etc. to get the time for the ATP. Sort of like it was back in the 80's when you had to have a couple thousand hours to get on at a commuter. Hopefully the shortage is real and pay to work never returns.
06-29-2012, 04:55 AM
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Just maybe it will mean the commuters start raising the starting pay to attract people into the profession. Those who really want that proverbial "golden" ring won't have a problem getting in the time. If you are not in the military there are plenty of banners to tow, people to instruct, fish to spot, bush to fly etc. to get the time for the ATP. Sort of like it was back in the 80's when you had to have a couple thousand hours to get on at a commuter. Hopefully the shortage is real and pay to work never returns.
etc. to get the time for the ATP. Sort of like it was back in the 80's when you had to have a couple thousand hours to get on at a commuter. Hopefully the shortage is real and pay to work never returns.
06-29-2012, 05:45 AM
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Looks like Obamacare passed today. Looks like Expressjet will, in time, drop our Healthcare coverage and transition us to the Govt run Health care. Or they will wait until UHC goes out of business as a result of other companies doing the same. Soon there will be no providers to turn to.
06-29-2012, 02:26 PM
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Hello 20 year recession (a.k.a Japan) and hitting the deficit ceiling every other day over medical care costs. I hope McDonalds and big tobacco is happy...
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