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Old 03-24-2013, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
I don't think dual qual is a good idea, especially for a new hire with no prior experience on said equipment.
Mesa, Skywest, and PSA have all done it for years and not killed anybody or bent any metal that I know of, so I believe the safety angle is a non-factor
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:48 AM
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8 resignations from march 1-12......red flag will go up this summer for sure, expect more hiring to happen!
I hear a lot of XJT pilots from both sides have been making the trip to DEN for interviews. Great news
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:09 AM
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Mesa, Skywest, and PSA have all done it for years and not killed anybody or bent any metal that I know of, so I believe the safety angle is a non-factor
Add in SouthWest... Being dual qaul'd streamlines the operation and you get a pay override regarding equipment flown. Also, it gives you more flexibility with bidding because the 200/700/900 have different types of flying.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
I don't think dual qual is a good idea, especially for a new hire with no prior experience on said equipment.
At SKW most newbies to 121 go to the Bro. If some do make it to the CRJ out the gates, they're usually left on the 200 for a few months before being sent back to Salt Lake for differences training on the 700/900. It really isn't a big deal. The diversity in flying makes it rather fun to be honest.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Mesa, Skywest, and PSA have all done it for years and not killed anybody or bent any metal that I know of, so I believe the safety angle is a non-factor
Point taken. For my point, Majors don't count. I think that most regional new hires have enough to learn without dual qual. Just an opinion. You know what they say about opinions!
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Slats
At SKW most newbies to 121 go to the Bro. If some do make it to the CRJ out the gates, they're usually left on the 200 for a few months before being sent back to Salt Lake for differences training on the 700/900. It really isn't a big deal. The diversity in flying makes it rather fun to be honest.
Not sure what you experience is but that's not how I have ever known it. I got differences training in new hire ground and flew the 700 for the first time 3 days off of IOE. I was flying the 200/700/900 all in one month my first month on line. It was never an issue for me and I came from flight instructing. Never flew the EMB 120.

This is that same experience of most here IMO.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Dual qual is something the company wanted in the new contract. So it doesn't surprise me that it found its way into this arbitration award. Especially considering that other airlines already have dual qual.
So you're ok with everything company wants finding its way onto our contract? Especially if every other POS regional has it?
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:03 AM
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So you're ok with everything company wants finding its way onto our contract? Especially if every other POS regional has it?
That's not what NEVETs said.

He simply stated that given the FACT that is was arbitration and "industry standard" was a governing factor, he's just not suprised it showed up. I'm sure when the company was presenting their case they stressed it.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Dual qual is something the company wanted in the new contract. So it doesn't surprise me that it found its way into this arbitration award. Especially considering that other airlines already have dual qual.
So you're ok with everything company wants finding its way onto our contract? Especially if every other POS regional has it?
No, not necessarily. Xjtguy answered for me but just to add, if dual qual is something that had already been negotiated in the joint contract negotiation process, then it would have been next to impossible to keep it out of the negotiation, mediation, arbitration for these larger aircraft.
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Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound
Not sure what you experience is but that's not how I have ever known it. I got differences training in new hire ground and flew the 700 for the first time 3 days off of IOE. I was flying the 200/700/900 all in one month my first month on line. It was never an issue for me and I came from flight instructing. Never flew the EMB 120.

This is that same experience of most here IMO.
Instructing to me helps with dual qual. As an instructor I flew a C152/172/182, Piper Seminole, and Beechcraft Duchess each week.
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