Captain Tony

You're splitting hairs here because you just have to "be right". And what matters isn't whether it's "boilerplate" or not, what matters is that it's poorly written and has now screwed us!

And I find it laughable that the "clown" you're lecturing has more time in negotiations, arbitrations, and contract enforcement than your entire MEC added together. Face it junior, you're out of your league.

Nevets

This coming from the guy that still insit that Acey is one syllable.

Anyway, it was you who was only complaining that we had boiler plate language that required arbitration for new aircraft. Never did you mention anything about complaining that that language didnt exclude bankrupt airlines until you found the same arbitration clause in your own contract.

The only point I was trying to make to bozo is that that language is the same language negotiated by ALPA attorneys into new contracts. As ALPA "learns" of better language, they negotiate that new language in new contracts. It's pattern bargaining and that is what I meant by boiler plate language. If you don't like my choice of words in my explanation, fine. But arguing semantics distracts from the point itself.

Like I said earlier, we wouldn't be in this predicament if your MEC hadn't given their flight line or no merger ultimatum.

PICsf340

So i was trying to gather some info from guys that have recently interviewed. I would appreciate a pm if you dont mind answering a few questions

Delayed again

You guys do realize that the new pay rates are seniority based right? Not based on the equipment you fly. Yes, there will be pilots flying the 70 seat airplane for 50 seat rates.

Captain Tony

I'll just quote this since everything else you said after this punk a.. cheap shot is meaningless.

For the last time, the 1 syllable version is "Ace". Leaving off the Y. You guys really are that stupid aren't you? Go away junior.

Bozo

When you have people / pilots such as you do that do not understand how to write language you are correct. You allow National to lead you. Blind leading the blind.

All you have to do is look at the term sheet put out by your group and there is such an obliteration of effective language that will keep your contract compliance team busy until you're 6 feet under.

xjtguy

That's ONLY going on the common variant language. Read the whole FAQ, neither the CRJ7/9 no 170/190 is common variant with the 135/145.

If you're going to criticize how to write language, you HAVE read the CRJ CBA, right? There's so many holes in that thing it makes Swiss cheese look solid

Nevets

I only bring that up because its a real life example of YOU not admitting when you're wrong. And using your quote as another example, to this day you still cannot admit you were wrong with something so trivial that it didnt even matter if you had just admitted it.

Anyway, it wasn't meant as a cheap shot.

Nevets

As I said, this boiler plate language (regardless if it was written a pilot or an ALPA attorney). And when someone comes up with a better boiler plate, it gets used the next time until that one is replaced with a better one. Your contract was written after ours. I don't know how else to explain pattern bargaining without using crayons.

If you are so bitter about it, aim it at the party who forced the company to use their right to exercise that clause by giving flight line or no merger ultimatums. If you guys are so smart, you should have known about it, known the possible risks and ramifications of your ultimatum and compromised by taking the offer to arbitrate the PBS vendor issue. You've made our bed, now we are all sleeping in it. Thanks

somertime32

Does anybody know if the new hire CRJ class has been assigned their planes and bases?