What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
#2491
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 268
What's the mec meeting about comin up
#2493
Aka, we are fckud and this is going to be an even bigger cluster. No lube, just bend over ..its going in
#2494
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 42
Nope. This is just what they do when they have a crappy 4 day trip.
I GUARANTEE nothing will be accomplished!
I GUARANTEE nothing will be accomplished!
#2496
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Either way, my point is valid. Both sets of language are boiler plate for when they were negotiated. That's the point of pattern bargaining.
#2497
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 503
Man another armchair negotiator. How many do you guys have? Your guys cant cut langugage, you have to ask our guys for help and then you try to say your language is boiler plate. I didn't see the language that protects you from having bk airline rates used to calculate a new pay rate.
#2498
That's not true. They'll b***h about the local hell raisers bothering them for a few hours, hear some committee reports from committee chairmen who also had a crappy 4 day they needed to drop, have a good long lunch at an establishment on Virginia Avenue, consider a meaningless, but strongly worded resolution that "shows support" for something, then adjourn and a steak dinner and drinks. They may even repeat this for a couple more days. Very busy week.
#2499
In legal circles, "boilerplate language" refers to generic legalese which is thrown into every contract, usually as a band-aid or disclaimer to satisfy the lawyers. Here's an example from our contract:
Q. Savings Clause
Should any provision of this Agreement be rendered invalid by
reason of any legislation or other act of any government agency
or declared illegal by any court of competent jurisdiction, such
provision will immediately become null and void, leaving the
remainder of the Agreement in full force and effect.
Should any provision of this Agreement be rendered invalid by
reason of any legislation or other act of any government agency
or declared illegal by any court of competent jurisdiction, such
provision will immediately become null and void, leaving the
remainder of the Agreement in full force and effect.
#2500
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Man another armchair negotiator. How many do you guys have? Your guys cant cut langugage, you have to ask our guys for help and then you try to say your language is boiler plate. I didn't see the language that protects you from having bk airline rates used to calculate a new pay rate.
But again, that was beside the point. The point being that tony was lamenting the fact that we have arbitration language for new aircraft on our contract, NOT that it didn't exclude bankrupt or non union regionals. I mentioned to him that that was boiler plate language. Obviously he went and looked it up in your contract and low and behold, there is arbitration language for new aircraft in your contract as well. So now he had to change his tune and lament the exclusions instead.
And here you are riding his coat tail on this point that wasn't even being made by him initially.
In legal circles, "boilerplate language" refers to generic legalese which is thrown into every contract, usually as a band-aid or disclaimer to satisfy the lawyers. Here's an example from our contract:
Q. Savings Clause
Should any provision of this Agreement be rendered invalid by
reason of any legislation or other act of any government agency
or declared illegal by any court of competent jurisdiction, such
provision will immediately become null and void, leaving the
remainder of the Agreement in full force and effect.
Should any provision of this Agreement be rendered invalid by
reason of any legislation or other act of any government agency
or declared illegal by any court of competent jurisdiction, such
provision will immediately become null and void, leaving the
remainder of the Agreement in full force and effect.
That was not your argument before. Now you change your tune when you find out you have arbitration clause in your contract as well.
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