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03-18-2013, 01:52 PM
#2481
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
2. DEFINITIONS
C. “Aircraft-type” means any variation of a particular model of
aircraft, e.g., CR7-CR9, CR2, AT7 and related models, so long
as the related model requires no transition training and remains
within the seat ranges established in this Agreement[/b]
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D. New Aircraft-type
1. Should the Company place in revenue service aircraft other
than the aircraft for which rates of pay are specified in this
Agreement, the Association and the Company will meet
pursuant to Title I, Section 6, of the Railway Labor Act, ninety
(90) days, if possible, but no later than sixty (60) days before
the aircraft is scheduled to be placed in revenue service for
the purpose of negotiating rates of pay for such aircraft.
2. If no agreement has been reached by the thirtieth (30th) day
prior to the date the aircraft is scheduled to be placed in
revenue service, the parties will submit the issue to an
arbitrator for final and binding arbitration.
a. When the Company announces the decision to place such
aircraft into revenue service, the parties will mutually agree
upon the selection of an arbitrator. If mutual agreement is
not possible, the arbitrator will be selected from the list of
arbitrators contained in Section 21 by alternately striking
names until one (1) remains. The parties will determine the
order of striking by the toss of a coin. The winner of the coin
toss will have the choice of striking first or second.
b. The arbitration will be held at the earliest possible date
consistent with the arbitrator’s schedule. If the arbitrator
is not available within sixty (60) days after the new
aircraft is scheduled to be placed into revenue service,
either party may elect to restrike the arbitrator panel as
described in paragraph D.2.a., above. Fees and expenses
of the arbitrator, as well as costs of the hearing
room and the stenographic report, will be shared equally
by the parties.
c. Closing arguments may be made in lieu of post-hearing
briefs. The arbitrator’s decision containing the pay scales
and subsequent periodic increases, if any, for the aircraft
for the duration of the Agreement will be issued within
twenty-one (21) days following the close of the hearing.
3. Time limits may be extended by the mutual agreement of the
parties.
4. Should the Company place into revenue service aircraft other
than the aircraft for which rates are specified in this Agreement,
the pilots will, upon qualification, begin flying and
continue to fly the aircraft. Rates of pay will be retroactive to
the first day the aircraft was placed into revenue service.
5. The arbitrator’s decision will be based upon relevant factors
within the part of the U.S. airline industry comprised of
carriers, the majority of whose aircraft fleet (present and
future firm orders) and operation is substantially similar to the
Company’s and who meet all of the following criteria:
a. Are not currently operating under the protection of the
bankruptcy laws; and
b. Have a collective bargaining agreement with a labor
organization certified by the National Mediation Board
(NMB) covering its pilots; and
c. Are not carriers
Spare me the sarcasm emoticon. You have no sources other than the nerds over on FI, and you don't even know what's written in your contract. Keep embarrassing yourself, junior.
2. DEFINITIONS
C. “Aircraft-type” means any variation of a particular model of
aircraft, e.g., CR7-CR9, CR2, AT7 and related models, so long
as the related model requires no transition training and remains
within the seat ranges established in this Agreement[/b]
Quote:
D. New Aircraft-type
1. Should the Company place in revenue service aircraft other
than the aircraft for which rates of pay are specified in this
Agreement, the Association and the Company will meet
pursuant to Title I, Section 6, of the Railway Labor Act, ninety
(90) days, if possible, but no later than sixty (60) days before
the aircraft is scheduled to be placed in revenue service for
the purpose of negotiating rates of pay for such aircraft.
2. If no agreement has been reached by the thirtieth (30th) day
prior to the date the aircraft is scheduled to be placed in
revenue service, the parties will submit the issue to an
arbitrator for final and binding arbitration.
a. When the Company announces the decision to place such
aircraft into revenue service, the parties will mutually agree
upon the selection of an arbitrator. If mutual agreement is
not possible, the arbitrator will be selected from the list of
arbitrators contained in Section 21 by alternately striking
names until one (1) remains. The parties will determine the
order of striking by the toss of a coin. The winner of the coin
toss will have the choice of striking first or second.
b. The arbitration will be held at the earliest possible date
consistent with the arbitrator’s schedule. If the arbitrator
is not available within sixty (60) days after the new
aircraft is scheduled to be placed into revenue service,
either party may elect to restrike the arbitrator panel as
described in paragraph D.2.a., above. Fees and expenses
of the arbitrator, as well as costs of the hearing
room and the stenographic report, will be shared equally
by the parties.
c. Closing arguments may be made in lieu of post-hearing
briefs. The arbitrator’s decision containing the pay scales
and subsequent periodic increases, if any, for the aircraft
for the duration of the Agreement will be issued within
twenty-one (21) days following the close of the hearing.
3. Time limits may be extended by the mutual agreement of the
parties.
4. Should the Company place into revenue service aircraft other
than the aircraft for which rates are specified in this Agreement,
the pilots will, upon qualification, begin flying and
continue to fly the aircraft. Rates of pay will be retroactive to
the first day the aircraft was placed into revenue service.
5. The arbitrator’s decision will be based upon relevant factors
within the part of the U.S. airline industry comprised of
carriers, the majority of whose aircraft fleet (present and
future firm orders) and operation is substantially similar to the
Company’s and who meet all of the following criteria:
a. Are not currently operating under the protection of the
bankruptcy laws; and
b. Have a collective bargaining agreement with a labor
organization certified by the National Mediation Board
(NMB) covering its pilots; and
c. Are not carriers
Spare me the sarcasm emoticon. You have no sources other than the nerds over on FI, and you don't even know what's written in your contract. Keep embarrassing yourself, junior.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
03-18-2013, 04:32 PM
#2482
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 503
Wait, you are saying that since your contract says 'aircraft type' means CR7, CR9, CR2, AT7, that they would need to negotiate for a new rates for EMB175s? If that's the case, then it just proves the point that it was your MEC that was intransigent and turned down every single dispute resolution idea and forced management to invoke our new aircraft contract language instead of yours.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
So does your current CBA have this language sport?
>>5. The arbitrator’s decision will be based upon relevant factors
within the part of the U.S. airline industry comprised of
carriers, the majority of whose aircraft fleet (present and
future firm orders) and operation is substantially similar to the
Company’s and who meet all of the following criteria:
a. Are not currently operating under the protection of the
bankruptcy laws; and
b. Have a collective bargaining agreement with a labor
organization certified by the National Mediation Board
(NMB) covering its pilots; and
03-18-2013, 05:11 PM
#2483
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Wait, you are saying that since your contract says 'aircraft type' means CR7, CR9, CR2, AT7, that they would need to negotiate for a new rates for EMB175s? If that's the case, then it just proves the point that it was your MEC that was intransigent and turned down every single dispute resolution idea and forced management to invoke our new aircraft contract language instead of yours.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
So does your current CBA have this language sport?
>>5. The arbitrator’s decision will be based upon relevant factors
within the part of the U.S. airline industry comprised of
carriers, the majority of whose aircraft fleet (present and
future firm orders) and operation is substantially similar to the
Company’s and who meet all of the following criteria:
a. Are not currently operating under the protection of the
bankruptcy laws; and
b. Have a collective bargaining agreement with a labor
organization certified by the National Mediation Board
(NMB) covering its pilots; and
03-19-2013, 05:38 AM
#2484
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Wait, you are saying that since your contract says 'aircraft type' means CR7, CR9, CR2, AT7, that they would need to negotiate for a new rates for EMB175s? If that's the case, then it just proves the point that it was your MEC that was intransigent and turned down every single dispute resolution idea and forced management to invoke our new aircraft contract language instead of yours.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
Also, earlier you were complaining about our "stupid" new aircraft contract language because it requires arbitration if the parties do not agree. I told you that it was boiler plate language and now you post your boiler plate new aircraft contract language that requires arbitration if the parties do not agree.
So does your current CBA have this language sport?
>>5. The arbitrator’s decision will be based upon relevant factors
within the part of the U.S. airline industry comprised of
carriers, the majority of whose aircraft fleet (present and
future firm orders) and operation is substantially similar to the
Company’s and who meet all of the following criteria:
a. Are not currently operating under the protection of the
bankruptcy laws; and
b. Have a collective bargaining agreement with a labor
organization certified by the National Mediation Board
(NMB) covering its pilots; and
>>5. The arbitrator’s decision will be based upon relevant factors
within the part of the U.S. airline industry comprised of
carriers, the majority of whose aircraft fleet (present and
future firm orders) and operation is substantially similar to the
Company’s and who meet all of the following criteria:
a. Are not currently operating under the protection of the
bankruptcy laws; and
b. Have a collective bargaining agreement with a labor
organization certified by the National Mediation Board
(NMB) covering its pilots; and
03-19-2013, 06:01 AM
#2485
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 395
Can someone post truthful information, and not hypothetical crap all day long? I'd like to know what's REALLY going on...
03-19-2013, 06:06 AM
#2486
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: I can fly.....I'm a pilot
Posts: 442
Does anybody know if the entire new hire class showed up yesterday?
03-19-2013, 11:12 AM
#2489
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: I can fly.....I'm a pilot
Posts: 442
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