What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-21-2012, 05:08 AM
#232
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The same thing WILL BE going on at United's side..... very, very soon....... The longer they stall, the more money THEY put in their pockets. Period. ExpressJet is trying to get extensions on the airframes already!!!! What does that tell you? There is NO replacement aircraft......... Keep dragging the contract along till they're parked.......
Call someone in the know about the airframe serial numbers and hours/cycles.........
TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!
FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!
Call someone in the know about the airframe serial numbers and hours/cycles.........
TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!
FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!
06-21-2012, 05:07 PM
#233
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Sounds like the best thing you guys have over ASA is that anything added if your below 75 gets added on top (We need this) and the 3 hour max deduct for conflicting trips going into the next month (We need this too). Otherwise with our PBS I used one week vacation and blocked only 33 hours for the month and got paid 75 (one 3 day and one 4 day). Now this then makes it impossible to pick anything up because it gets added to the 33 hours of block I was at. So I would essentially need to work 42 hours for "free." Aside from that I'd say I could easily get 40 off in a row if I paired up 2 months consecutively doing this (but two 75 hours months would mean a crappy pay check).
Also, I dont see combining the very best of our two contracts into one happening. I'd LOVE for this to happen, but this would be a contract that would destroy any other regional out there and I suspect our costs would be comparatively too high. (Good luck getting on GoJet or Pinchanickle or RAH's levels when it comes time for an RFP). Pilot pay can't BK a company, but in the regional world I can see it making us relatively more costly, and thus not making us competitive in our industry. That CAN lead to a BK or stagnation over time. Im not a lifer (just sayin) but lets just get this contract done and enjoy some more flying.....
Also, I dont see combining the very best of our two contracts into one happening. I'd LOVE for this to happen, but this would be a contract that would destroy any other regional out there and I suspect our costs would be comparatively too high. (Good luck getting on GoJet or Pinchanickle or RAH's levels when it comes time for an RFP). Pilot pay can't BK a company, but in the regional world I can see it making us relatively more costly, and thus not making us competitive in our industry. That CAN lead to a BK or stagnation over time. Im not a lifer (just sayin) but lets just get this contract done and enjoy some more flying.....
I thought that with your vacation low, your 7 vacation days are credited at 4 hours each and you have to build a line to at least 65 hours. That is a difference of 37 hours. So how did you manage to only block 33 hours?
As for your duty rigs, I've been calculating what the difference in pay would be for me if we had your duty rig, so far it's less than one hour since the merger announcement (I almost always only work 4 days). It proved my theory that for us, it's not all that it's cracked up to be. Now if it was based on actual and not scheduled, then I would agree that that would be way better than what we currently have. Also, I wouldn't be happy with anything less than a 1:3.6 trip rig to go along with the duty rig.
As for soft time, people forget other MAJOR parts of our contract. Such as FBO, our higher 401k matching, our retirement contribution, our higher sick accrual, our OJI bank, our higher vacation accrual, our lower health benefit share of premiums (25%), and some minor ones like customs and drug test pay, uniform reimbursement (includes more than uniforms). And I know I'm probably forgetting things.
As for your comments about not getting at least the best of both contracts, they can cry poor all they want but just remember that they are choosing to pay for TWO sets of everything!
4. You act as if United will forever be in love with your old 50 seat ERJ's. EVERYONE knows 50 seat airplanes are going to be parked and larger RJs are the future, its economics. Hmmmm, isnt ALL of L-XJT's airplanes 50 seaters? I'd be concerned... (dont expect all your 50's to be replaced with larger airframes overnight, when they start shedding the 50's you will be in ASA's position, possibly shrinking)
6. Continental pilots want all their outsourced flying back. Their union (also ALPA) was pushing to retract all your flying pre merger with United. You act as if your contract is iron clad and there are no exceptions that allow for a decrease in your airframes (either a strait reduction or a 2 for 1 or worse, etc type deal). Nothing is certain other than the dumb fat and highest paid pilots in the regional sector usually dont sit there forever. Then have fun on the "street."
6. Continental pilots want all their outsourced flying back. Their union (also ALPA) was pushing to retract all your flying pre merger with United. You act as if your contract is iron clad and there are no exceptions that allow for a decrease in your airframes (either a strait reduction or a 2 for 1 or worse, etc type deal). Nothing is certain other than the dumb fat and highest paid pilots in the regional sector usually dont sit there forever. Then have fun on the "street."
Last edited by Nevets; 06-21-2012 at 05:30 PM.
06-21-2012, 10:34 PM
#235
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Joined APC: Oct 2007
Posts: 389
I don't agree with anything you said less the fact that CAL is trying to bring all the 50 seat flying in house or what ever airplane it is. You guys sit down there up managements a$$ thinking this company need us to play ball, they need us more then we need them and if you don't see that well then your blind. Is the 50 gonna go away? Your dam right it is, (second point I agree to)but not till this CPA is up or CAL buys it out. I'm sorry but you just cant cancel contracts without due diligence by the party which seeks to end the agreement.
I'll gladly take my spot flying at a legacy when and if this company goes down but till then seeing as I'm gonna be here for a while, I'm gonna strive to continue the fight for what we all as professional pilots deserve. EVERY DOLLAR WE CAN GET, and when we we do secure an industry leading contract for you again! Well, I would just rather you say thanks and enjoy the fruits of mine and everyone's lobar that puts up the good fight. You people are the reason were considered second class pilots and mocked by our peers. If you want to insure the company survives and i'm sure you do that sticker that says 'I Will Fly For Food" is right up your alley.
I'll gladly take my spot flying at a legacy when and if this company goes down but till then seeing as I'm gonna be here for a while, I'm gonna strive to continue the fight for what we all as professional pilots deserve. EVERY DOLLAR WE CAN GET, and when we we do secure an industry leading contract for you again! Well, I would just rather you say thanks and enjoy the fruits of mine and everyone's lobar that puts up the good fight. You people are the reason were considered second class pilots and mocked by our peers. If you want to insure the company survives and i'm sure you do that sticker that says 'I Will Fly For Food" is right up your alley.
06-22-2012, 03:36 AM
#236
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: UniCal 737 FO
Posts: 413
I did the exact same thing. Now I know why I've avoided from posting on APC all these years. Arguing with idiots is just frustrating and at the end of the day you have gotten no where. In response to his post, I didn't even know where to begin for a few minutes, the incompetency he radiates just makes me want to laugh and walk away from the computer... Im done here.
06-22-2012, 04:34 AM
#237
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Position: CRJ CA
Posts: 328
Want, want, want.....
Gimme, gimme, gimme.....
Deserve, earn, industry leading......
Legacy, need, managements problem......
Chest pound, chest pund.....blah, blah, blah
Gimme, gimme, gimme.....
Deserve, earn, industry leading......
Legacy, need, managements problem......
Chest pound, chest pund.....blah, blah, blah
06-22-2012, 05:45 AM
#238
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Posts: 660
And in other news, some/all (no specifics) of our CR2 seaters are being refitted for extended over water operations. That's out of the mouths of our training department. Not sure if that would be for Delta or a possible AE ops on the Caribbean.
06-22-2012, 08:03 AM
#239
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: Piloto
Posts: 172
XJT is taking ASA's CRJ-200's when Delta tears up all the contracts to operate 15 flights a day from LAX-HNL, part of the 50 states thing...
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