Banshee365

goaround, all of us with the super inferior contract/company/pilot group/equipment/bidding system/career expectations would be more than honored to "swing" YOUR gear for you any time you would like. I think, most often, you could even get your door handle or maybe your own personal flap handle swung.

Red97Vette

Hahahha yup. Hell I'll even input all YOUR acars data all day long.

atrdriver

Pardon my persistence, but I haven't had the chance to become as familiar with your superior contract as you are with our "recent pos" contract. Perhaps you could explain to me your trip and duty rigs and min day credit and how they compare to the pmASA contract? Soft credit makes a big difference in take-home pay, of course.

JetBlast77

That it does, and the only airline in the US with better soft time rules than L-XJT is southwest. Do me a favor and divide your total flight pay last year by the amount of hours flown. Not sure your seniority, but as a 5 year FO mine comes out to $81.80 an hour. $49900 gross and 610 hours of flying. I've talked to an ASA guy with about my seniority on that side that made just under that and flew 850 hours. If you are making a soft time argument, you want our soft time rules. We could use an improvement in our trip/duty rigs, but everything else is beyond solid. Naturally, our goal should be to take our soft time rules minus trip/duty rigs.....those we should adopt what you guys have and even try to improve upon it some more. Just my .02

atrdriver

I asked what your rigs were, because I've been unable to find them (and curiously no one wants to give a direct answer). I didn't ask about your hourly rate including per diem and all that 200% red flag stuff from last summer.

So again, what are your trip/duty rigs and min day in that mainline contract of yours? Honest question.

LateralFlyer

Based on all of your posts, you sound like someone who hasn't had his gear swung in quite some time...

JetBlast77

3.75 min day for pickup/vacation (I know yours is better), 2 hour min day when flying less, 15 hour min for a 4 day (I know yours is better). All trips that touch vacation drop and 75 hour guarantee is protected. This means if two 25 hour 4 days touch your vacation and your line value is reduced to say 45 hours: your credit can not go below 75. So if you pick up after the initial window, anything you pick up is added to 75, not the 45 you will actually be flying. Using this guys can work a normal schedule during a vacation month and make close to 150 hours of pay or more if its red flag during the vacation month. Also, no matter what conflicts exist in the monthly transition, your line value cannot be reduced by more than 3 hours. So if you are finishing the month with a 25 hour 4 day and bid a line for the next month that starts with a 25 hour 4 day, they cannot reduce your line value by more than 3 hours. So naturally guys will purposely bid for conflicts and then pick up later in the month to pad their line value.

If you pick up an overnight on a day off, min pay is 7:30. We do not train on days off, and are paid in full for the drips that are dropped so we can go to training on top of our min day training pay. In short, any time our schedule is modify our pay is protected from our original line value at a minimum. We cannot make less than the line we bid unless we voluntarily drop something. If you bid a 95 hour line, no matter how many days off you get from vacation, no matter how many days you go to training, no matter what drops in the transition, no matter what scheduling has to modify, you're getting 95 hours no matter what. If you are able to pick up additional trips as a result of others being dropped beyond your control, it is added to 95 hours, regardless of what your actual block is.

Like I said, I know you guys have specific duty rigs that are better, and I'm all for adopting those. I think we should combine the best of both contracts.

ja2c

So it sounds like our good buddy goaround2000 is just blowing smoke. We both have good things in our contracts.

I'm holding down reserve and in March I had vacation. With our system I am able to hold a line during vacation months which are always two 4days or a 4day and a 3day. I was on reserve the last 5 days of February. I got awarded a line that consisted of a 3day starting on the 1st day of March and a 4day at the end of the month. We cant work 7 days in a row so that 3 day got turned into a One day. I worked 5 days in March and got paid 75 hours.

Jetblast, lets say during a vacation month you are going to work the least amount of days as possible, how many days would this be?

And thanks for explaining some numbers instead of just saying we can swing your gear and we have a pos contract.

JetBlast77

The best I've done I believe is 5 days of work for the month at 75 hours. Using two weeks I was able to get a straight 40 days off. The biggest thing I like about our rules though is I can get all this time off and pick up 2 more days of work and get paid 90 hours. If I'm able to get a line where I only work 5 or 6 days, I can work 8 days and get paid 90 hours. Like I said, if we work to combine the best of both I think we can have something pretty good.

Red97Vette

Sounds like the best thing you guys have over ASA is that anything added if your below 75 gets added on top (We need this) and the 3 hour max deduct for conflicting trips going into the next month (We need this too). Otherwise with our PBS I used one week vacation and blocked only 33 hours for the month and got paid 75 (one 3 day and one 4 day). Now this then makes it impossible to pick anything up because it gets added to the 33 hours of block I was at. So I would essentially need to work 42 hours for "free." Aside from that I'd say I could easily get 40 off in a row if I paired up 2 months consecutively doing this (but two 75 hours months would mean a crappy pay check).
Also, I dont see combining the very best of our two contracts into one happening. I'd LOVE for this to happen, but this would be a contract that would destroy any other regional out there and I suspect our costs would be comparatively too high. (Good luck getting on GoJet or Pinchanickle or RAH's levels when it comes time for an RFP). Pilot pay can't BK a company, but in the regional world I can see it making us relatively more costly, and thus not making us competitive in our industry. That CAN lead to a BK or stagnation over time. Im not a lifer (just sayin) but lets just get this contract done and enjoy some more flying.....