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Old 01-27-2013, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
Loophole that your ALPA reps elected not to fight to close.
What he said. Totally ridiculous that our "union" has chosen not to fight this, which is clearly dual qual. These amateurs who call themselves reps clearly don't understand precedent and how it effects you in negotiations. Unless their goal is to slowly move us toward dual qual, which I strongly suspect.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
Loophole that your ALPA reps elected not to fight to close.
What he said. Totally ridiculous that our "union" has chosen not to fight this, which is clearly dual qual. These amateurs who call themselves reps clearly don't understand precedent and how it effects you in negotiations. Unless their goal is to slowly move us toward dual qual, which I strongly suspect.
They've probably already conceded dual qual in the joint contract negotiations.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha:1340123
You only have to finish what you were awarded. You shouldn't get any more 200 flying after you are done with training if I understand it correctly.
How can I finish what I'm awarded when I am newly qualified on another type? The contract clearly says line pilots only have to maintain qualification on one type. My 200 sked left over should be dropped to open time and then a 700/900 sked built for the the remainder of the month.

Where is the loophole that allows the partial dual qual? I searched all around the contract and can't find it
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
How can I finish what I'm awarded when I am newly qualified on another type? The contract clearly says line pilots only have to maintain qualification on one type. My 200 sked left over should be dropped to open time and then a 700/900 sked built for the the remainder of the month.

Where is the loophole that allows the partial dual qual? I searched all around the contract and can't find it
If the reps won't fight it there is not much you can do about it. You can try to grieve it but those same reps will throw it out. Just vote them out next time the vote comes up.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:47 PM
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[QUOTE=Trip7;1340249]
Originally Posted by MoarAlpha:1340123
Where is the loophole that allows the partial dual qual? I searched all around the contract and can't find it
Section 24.K

You go to your new position on the effective date, remaining in your current position until then. There are exceptions for when consolidation would be interrupted, but that only applies to initial qualification, not differences. You are not maintaining qualification on two types, but your qualification hasn't yet lapsed for the old position.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:53 PM
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What if you have a 200 trip that spills over into the first 3 days of March when the 700 effective date is the 1st? Haha
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
What if you have a 200 trip that spills over into the first 3 days of March when the 700 effective date is the 1st? Haha
Then you get pay protected? I don't know, that is just what I was told when I asked. It sucks but if the negotiators support that (and I'm told they do) a grievance would just be a waste of resources and time.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:14 PM
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What if you have a 200 trip that spills over into the first 3 days of March when the 700 effective date is the 1st? Haha
Then you get paid at the higher rate.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:00 PM
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Yes, I do. SkyWest has learned from all of those companies mistakes. SkyWest will be different. They will use their non union work force, and fly to underserved intermountian airports with 70-110 seat jets. And they WILL codeshare, regardless of what's "in your PWA". This is their long term plan.
No one has learned from the failures before them. I'm basing my argument on facts. Your argument is based off a hunch & your opinion. Looks like only time will tell us who is correct.

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So you're telling me Delta's entire domestic network, mostly consisting of ancient gas guzzling DC9s, MD-88s and 757s is unprofitable?
Apples to oranges. Delta has been around 80+ years as their own airline. They have a passenger base & brand name established across the globe. They sell their own tickets, market their maintenance services, market their charter services, & market their cargo services. They have large corporate customers who bring in millions of dollars in revenue. They have many sources of income beyond their domestic revenue. Skywest has very little of these things.

WRT our domestic fleet, we have around only 16-19 DC9-50s left. Route planning has figured out the routes on which they make money. If it exceeds a certain stage length, the DC9 loses money. Our domestic fleet is profitable mainly because DAL owns many of the planes. Skywest would be making massive lease payments on their fleet of MRJs, & that would put a huge dent in any revenue they managed to make. As I said, only time will tell.

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Old 01-27-2013, 04:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Redbird611:1340310]
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha:1340123
Where is the loophole that allows the partial dual qual? I searched all around the contract and can't find it
Section 24.K

You go to your new position on the effective date, remaining in your current position until then. There are exceptions for when consolidation would be interrupted, but that only applies to initial qualification, not differences. You are not maintaining qualification on two types, but your qualification hasn't yet lapsed for the old position.
Understood. Thanks for the info. I'll try to sweet talk someone in scheduling into switching me early. Worse they can say is no
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