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Old 01-12-2013, 08:46 PM
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The down side is senior pilot groups and better contract that anyone else out there and 80% of airplanes being 50 seaters.

The minute management comes after you guys for cuts, lit integration and such you will see the culture that makes SKW what it is die down and you will be just another regional but with a lot of 50 seaters. Look at Southwest, look at their culture and management hasn't touched compensation yet.
People keep coming on here mentioning that SKW Inc is just another regional with a bunch of 50 seaters. What they are missing is that INC is well aware that the 50 seat model is dying but knows there will still be a need for some 50 seaters in the future. If you ever listen to their earnings calls you would here them talk about this a lot. They are planning on being the company with the most 50 seaters that are left after all the cuts. They want to continue to be the premier 50 seat operator along with the addition of 70+ seaters. You saw this when they lost a good amount of 50 seat flying from DAL and were able to quickly place them with AA. They have said time and time again that they are confident in their ability to find other places for 50 seaters as they come offline from other carriers. Sure some of them will be parked for good, but SKW isn't stupid. DAL called for a reduction of 200+ 50 seaters from the system, SKW parked what, 63?....and they found other places for a majority of these aircraft. If 50% of the current 50 seaters are parked, there is nothing wrong with striving to operate 75% of the ones that are left. As far as the majors coming to SKW for cuts next, when you are the largest regional in the world, your operating costs tend to be a good deal less right off the bat. I'm certainly not saying they are exempt and won't feel any pain, I'm just saying that they have been smart managers to this point and I don't believe they will go quietly.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:03 AM
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Oh well, the APC "experts" have spoken. Hear that Jerry? I guess you may as well shut down the company. You have no chance and no plan according to a Delta and an American Eagle pilot, lol. "You will be crushed". Lol.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:53 AM
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Oh well, the APC "experts" have spoken. Hear that Jerry? I guess you may as well shut down the company. You have no chance and no plan according to a Delta and an American Eagle pilot, lol. "You will be crushed". Lol.
Tony,

You've been doing this long enough. So be honest. You're telling me you honestly believe SkyWest Inc would make it in their own? No more gravy train FFD contracts. SkyWest Inc now must pay for their own fuel, mx, training, etc. All of it. They'll be responsible for advertising, insurance, catering, cleaning crews, gates, slots, etc.

Tell me how well that's gone for Independence Air, ExpressJet branded, Virgin America, SkyBus, and Republic. How will SkyWest Inc be different? RAH had tons of cash & great financing before they bought F9. Now look at them. They're desperately trying to sell F9. BB is running with his tail between his legs. SkyWest has neither the brand nor the client base to go a it on their own. Codeshare likely won't change that. RAH currently has FFD contracts supporting their Frontier operation, and it's still losing money. Please tell me how SkyWest Inc will be different.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:09 AM
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Each failure mentioned above had their own unique reason why things didn't work out. It is possible for a regional airline in this country to "go it alone" and do well. If anyone could do it I think Skywest could. If I knew how I wouldn't be flying airplanes. But I think if Skywest pulls that trigger they will do well. Anyhow, airplanes will keep getting bigger at regionals. I don't like that anymore than you do but I have more confidence in ALPA with management making that happen then stopping and reversing this trend.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:12 AM
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I'll tell you this. SkyWest Inc. isn't just going to lay down and die because some mainline ALPA groups told them to. Also, I think we all know that SkyWest didn't really order those MRJs as RJ-700/900 replacements. SkyWest of the future will either work with their "mainline partner" CEOs to find a loophole in the PWAs allowing code share, or they will just go it alone with MRJs and possible Airbuses.

Either way, I hope I'm not here to take part in it.
Skywest may never opperate those MRJ's. They may sell those orders for a profit to another operator as it gets closer to delivery
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:12 AM
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Each failure mentioned above had their own unique reason why things didn't work out. It is possible for a regional airline in this country to "go it alone" and do well. If anyone could do it I think Skywest could. If I knew how I wouldn't be flying airplanes. But I think if Skywest pulls that trigger they will do well. Anyhow, airplanes will keep getting bigger at regionals. I don't like that anymore than you do but I have more confidence in ALPA with management making that happen then stopping and reversing this trend.
Really? Give me an example. Each one of those failures were due to one thing, losing money. They couldn't make money. VA still can't. And they're flying a larger airplane with a lower CASM. So tell me how SkyWest will be different.

And the size of allowable RJs hasn't changed in years.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:27 AM
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It is more like a theory. If it could be done Skywest could do well. That is all I am saying. I know the size of aircraft hasn't changed in years but I see it going up. Don't ask me how. I am just bitter and pessimistic about the way things have been going with the airlines.
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It is more like a theory. If it could be done Skywest could do well. That is all I am saying. I know the size of aircraft hasn't changed in years but I see it going up. Don't ask me how. I am just bitter and pessimistic about the way things have been going with the airlines.
So I have factual proof through history, & your proof is simply a hunch.
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OK...I guess your right then.
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Really? Give me an example. Each one of those failures were due to one thing, losing money. They couldn't make money. VA still can't. And they're flying a larger airplane with a lower CASM. So tell me how SkyWest will be different.

And the size of allowable RJs hasn't changed in years.
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