What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
01-11-2013, 12:14 PM
#1961
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I don't know about the "chest thumping" towards L-XJT. If I rember right, a lot of L-ASA guys were saying modest pay increase and new reserve rules and we would be content. Wasn't there a few pages on pricing ourselves out of the game?? I don't think we were the ones thumping...
"Get on board", "we bought you so you have to do what we say", "Jerry doesn't play games", "Stop being militant", "get in line"
Whichever cliche saying stance that certain L-ASA people have voiced while "thumping their chest"
TFAYD!!!!!!
01-11-2013, 04:44 PM
#1962
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Just came through recurrent. Hiring is now totally STOPPED (On the ASA side.) Apparently we are in a holding pattern while we wait for the vote of the Pinnacle TA. Word around town is that once they vote this TA in, management is going to come back with a "here is the industry standard now!" If you (Pinnacle guys vote this in, we are all truly doomed!) I guess we will wait and see!
01-11-2013, 05:34 PM
#1963
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Maybe so, but classe have stopped, which is concerning since it is counter to the apparent approach by mgmt prior to Christmas. Like it or not, we all need hiring to continue. In the long run, it doesn't really matter which side.
01-11-2013, 08:33 PM
#1964
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Please explain.
*popcorn*
01-11-2013, 09:16 PM
#1965
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Skywest also has abruptly cancelled classes January classes and stopped hiring. Doesn't sound too good for Skywest Inc. Maybe the AMR deal falling through rumor was true, because RAH and Eagle continue to hire like crazy
01-12-2013, 06:32 AM
#1966
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Or maybe that was the plan the whole time. Telling guys that there is going to be a pilot shortage and hiring is going to be full force each month indefinitely is a surefire way to attract foolish newhires. If I was as gullible as I was when I started flight training I'd feel warm and cozy about those factors too. They couldn't get any applicants, then really ramped up hiring and people started flocking. They got what they wanted I'm sure........
01-12-2013, 07:43 AM
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Yeah, you got me! I don't think you can read, maybe spell but comprehension is not your strong point. But that being said if they don't want to play ball its fine by me. Close this place down! I could give a rats a$$ anymore. I know I have the time and qualifications to move on anywhere or just do something else. "You know my handcuffs? I picked them long ago" if you get the pun!
Good luck with your sniveling and begging for what you deserve.
Good luck with your sniveling and begging for what you deserve.
Nope. I don't buy it. I'm not calling you out, but there are way too many lifers that will cave to management's demands. Inner Skywest Inc whipsaw is being set up. The ground is being laid as we speak. Regional airline management realizes their business model is quickly dying. FFD contracts are done, and they know the only way to survive is to strip labor costs to bare bones. That's the only way they'll be able to profitably operate 65-76 seat aircraft. The regional industry is rapidly shrinking, and management is scrambling to adapt. They either adapt, or they die.
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01-12-2013, 08:37 AM
#1968
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Nope. I don't buy it. I'm not calling you out, but there are way too many lifers that will cave to management's demands. Inner Skywest Inc whipsaw is being set up. The ground is being laid as we speak. Regional airline management realizes their business model is quickly dying. FFD contracts are done, and they know the only way to survive is to strip labor costs to bare bones. That's the only way they'll be able to profitably operate 65-76 seat aircraft. The regional industry is rapidly shrinking, and manager is scrambling to adapt. They either adapt, or they die.
+1
I have come to terms with this. It's unfortunately the way the system has to un-do years of bad juju. If I have to lose my job so that others in the long term future are set, so be it. I won't fight it that's for sure. How could anyone think that it's the norm to just go through flight training, graduate, and start flying jets while management can't hire you fast enough. There is something wrong with that picture. It was a false system that was only temporary. Times up.....
01-12-2013, 08:55 AM
#1969
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I have come to terms with this. It's unfortunately the way the system has to un-do years of bad juju. If I have to lose my job so that others in the long term future are set, so be it. I won't fight it that's for sure. How could anyone think that it's the norm to just go through flight training, graduate, and start flying jets while management can't hire you fast enough. There is something wrong with that picture. It was a false system that was only temporary. Times up.....
You are correct about what you said. However there will be code share in our future. You can count on Jerry already making back door deals regarding this. Xjet will be around a long time.
You are correct about what you said. However there will be code share in our future. You can count on Jerry already making back door deals regarding this. Xjet will be around a long time.
01-12-2013, 09:25 AM
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Wishful thinking at best on the Codeshare. Delta pilot contract prohibits it, & UAL pilot contract is fairly restrictive as well. Plus, Codeshare would require Skywest Inc to pay for their own fuel, mx, etc. The crack spread is $25-$30 per barrel putting Jet A well over $3.00 per gallon. Skywest Inc simply won't have the income to sustain that.
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