What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
01-03-2013, 08:45 AM
#1901
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 79
If it happens the rates will be negotiated under section 26 of our current contract. Max of 60 days negotiation the mediation and arbitration for the new rates. We will not get to vote on these rates as they will be done outside of section 6.
01-03-2013, 10:23 AM
#1902
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 87
I see what your language is and it sucks. You really think you guys will come to an agreement? This thing is headed to arbitration where they will impose the new industry standard. You guys think you've won something. The company found a way to jack us all.
Might as well take a system that has been available for almost ten years with no customers, hasn't been proven to work, is guaranteed to screw the bottom 30% of line holders every month, and WILL be give guys who don't want it a 20% pay cut a few times a year just make it as bad as it can be.
Might as well take a system that has been available for almost ten years with no customers, hasn't been proven to work, is guaranteed to screw the bottom 30% of line holders every month, and WILL be give guys who don't want it a 20% pay cut a few times a year just make it as bad as it can be.
01-03-2013, 10:37 AM
#1903
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 661
I see what your language is and it sucks. You really think you guys will come to an agreement? This thing is headed to arbitration where they will impose the new industry standard. You guys think you've won something. The company found a way to jack us all.
Might as well take a system that has been available for almost ten years with no customers, hasn't been proven to work, is guaranteed to screw the bottom 30% of line holders every month, and WILL be give guys who don't want it a 20% pay cut a few times a year just make it as bad as it can be.
Might as well take a system that has been available for almost ten years with no customers, hasn't been proven to work, is guaranteed to screw the bottom 30% of line holders every month, and WILL be give guys who don't want it a 20% pay cut a few times a year just make it as bad as it can be.
01-03-2013, 11:22 AM
#1904
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
I see what your language is and it sucks. You really think you guys will come to an agreement? This thing is headed to arbitration where they will impose the new industry standard. You guys think you've won something. The company found a way to jack us all.
Might as well take a system that has been available for almost ten years with no customers, hasn't been proven to work, is guaranteed to screw the bottom 30% of line holders every month, and WILL be give guys who don't want it a 20% pay cut a few times a year just make it as bad as it can be.
Might as well take a system that has been available for almost ten years with no customers, hasn't been proven to work, is guaranteed to screw the bottom 30% of line holders every month, and WILL be give guys who don't want it a 20% pay cut a few times a year just make it as bad as it can be.
As for the system, it has a customer, has been proven to work, doesn't screw anyone over (at least not any more than flight line) and doesn't give anyone any pay cuts. On the other hand, it has been shown that flight line would be a QOL concession to the ERJ side as it stands now, would be worse off for everyone as the final product would be worse than the existing one, and requires hours of manipulation by humans to come up with their subjective definition of a solution (socialization).
01-03-2013, 11:43 AM
#1905
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
XJT MEC Alert
January 2, 2013
Earlier today, the Company notified XJT ALPA of its intent to seek opportunities in which to introduce larger, two-class aircraft into the legacy ExpressJet fleet under Section 26 of our collective bargaining agreement. This section provides for an expedited negotiation process to determine terms and conditions for any new aircraft placed under our current contract.
While legacy ASA already has rates established for this flying, legacy ExpressJet does not. Establishing these rates will allow legacy ExpressJet pilots to partake in the RFPs currently in the market.
At this point we have only received initial notice from the Company and we will provide more information as we receive it. We expect negotiations to commence next week and will keep you informed on our progress. Under Section 26, negotiations must be concluded within 60 days. Following that, the contract provides for 20 days of mediation and an expedited arbitration process to resolve any remaining disputed items.
January 2, 2013
Earlier today, the Company notified XJT ALPA of its intent to seek opportunities in which to introduce larger, two-class aircraft into the legacy ExpressJet fleet under Section 26 of our collective bargaining agreement. This section provides for an expedited negotiation process to determine terms and conditions for any new aircraft placed under our current contract.
While legacy ASA already has rates established for this flying, legacy ExpressJet does not. Establishing these rates will allow legacy ExpressJet pilots to partake in the RFPs currently in the market.
At this point we have only received initial notice from the Company and we will provide more information as we receive it. We expect negotiations to commence next week and will keep you informed on our progress. Under Section 26, negotiations must be concluded within 60 days. Following that, the contract provides for 20 days of mediation and an expedited arbitration process to resolve any remaining disputed items.
01-03-2013, 11:45 AM
#1906
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Regardless, this is the path that management has chosen for us after the ASA MEC refused to negotiate a joint contract. Seems like one side is getting more jacked than the other though.
As for the system, it has a customer, has been proven to work, doesn't screw anyone over (at least not any more than flight line) and doesn't give anyone any pay cuts. On the other hand, it has been shown that flight line would be a QOL concession to the ERJ side as it stands now, would be worse off for everyone as the final product would be worse than the existing one, and requires hours of manipulation by humans to come up with their subjective definition of a solution (socialization).
As for the system, it has a customer, has been proven to work, doesn't screw anyone over (at least not any more than flight line) and doesn't give anyone any pay cuts. On the other hand, it has been shown that flight line would be a QOL concession to the ERJ side as it stands now, would be worse off for everyone as the final product would be worse than the existing one, and requires hours of manipulation by humans to come up with their subjective definition of a solution (socialization).
01-03-2013, 01:08 PM
#1907
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
XJT MEC Alert
January 2, 2013
Earlier today, the Company notified XJT ALPA of its intent to seek opportunities in which to introduce larger, two-class aircraft into the legacy ExpressJet fleet under Section 26 of our collective bargaining agreement. This section provides for an expedited negotiation process to determine terms and conditions for any new aircraft placed under our current contract.
While legacy ASA already has rates established for this flying, legacy ExpressJet does not. Establishing these rates will allow legacy ExpressJet pilots to partake in the RFPs currently in the market.
At this point we have only received initial notice from the Company and we will provide more information as we receive it. We expect negotiations to commence next week and will keep you informed on our progress. Under Section 26, negotiations must be concluded within 60 days. Following that, the contract provides for 20 days of mediation and an expedited arbitration process to resolve any remaining disputed items.
January 2, 2013
Earlier today, the Company notified XJT ALPA of its intent to seek opportunities in which to introduce larger, two-class aircraft into the legacy ExpressJet fleet under Section 26 of our collective bargaining agreement. This section provides for an expedited negotiation process to determine terms and conditions for any new aircraft placed under our current contract.
While legacy ASA already has rates established for this flying, legacy ExpressJet does not. Establishing these rates will allow legacy ExpressJet pilots to partake in the RFPs currently in the market.
At this point we have only received initial notice from the Company and we will provide more information as we receive it. We expect negotiations to commence next week and will keep you informed on our progress. Under Section 26, negotiations must be concluded within 60 days. Following that, the contract provides for 20 days of mediation and an expedited arbitration process to resolve any remaining disputed items.
01-03-2013, 03:06 PM
#1908
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Regardless, this is the path that management has chosen for us after the ASA MEC refused to negotiate a joint contract. Seems like one side is getting more jacked than the other though.
As for the system, it has a customer, has been proven to work, doesn't screw anyone over (at least not any more than flight line) and doesn't give anyone any pay cuts. On the other hand, it has been shown that flight line would be a QOL concession to the ERJ side as it stands now, would be worse off for everyone as the final product would be worse than the existing one, and requires hours of manipulation by humans to come up with their subjective definition of a solution (socialization).
As for the system, it has a customer, has been proven to work, doesn't screw anyone over (at least not any more than flight line) and doesn't give anyone any pay cuts. On the other hand, it has been shown that flight line would be a QOL concession to the ERJ side as it stands now, would be worse off for everyone as the final product would be worse than the existing one, and requires hours of manipulation by humans to come up with their subjective definition of a solution (socialization).
01-03-2013, 03:24 PM
#1909
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 503
I don't think so. With the ASA MEC flight line or stay separate stance, there are no section 6 negotiations. Section 26 of our contract is specifically there to negotiate outside of section 6. But the company wanting cheap rates goes without saying.
We can be screwed if we don't come together. And the ASA MEC has made it clear they aren't really interested in that as much as keeping flight line.
We can be screwed if we don't come together. And the ASA MEC has made it clear they aren't really interested in that as much as keeping flight line.
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