What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
#1831
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You guys are killin' me!
#1832
Directly from the ASA MEC Chairman today, the only section legacy ASA and XJT differ on is scheduling. I hope your a troll and not actually as big of a douche as you portray yourself, unfortunately I think it's the latter.
#1833
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Bet you a coke it has something to do with PBS...
#1834
It really blows me away to hear L-ASA guys trashing the L-XJT side on things they know NOTHING about. Someone starts a little rumor and Shizam! It suddenly turns into the dirty truth about the L-XJT pilots.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
#1835
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It really blows me away to hear L-ASA guys trashing the L-XJT side on things they know NOTHING about. Someone starts a little rumor and Shizam! It suddenly turns into the dirty truth about the L-XJT pilots.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
Either there are some extremely gullible people here or there are people pushing their own malicious agenda.
#1836
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It really blows me away to hear L-ASA guys trashing the L-XJT side on things they know NOTHING about. Someone starts a little rumor and Shizam! It suddenly turns into the dirty truth about the L-XJT pilots.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
#1837
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We're ready to burn this place to the ground if we don't get it. Yes, we know SGU(I use SGU in reference to Skywest, Inc. headquarters because I'm so awesome and cool) we know they don't mess around, but we're prepared to fight.
Informational picketing starts tomorrow outside the A tech center in ATL. Will our L-ASA brothers stand with us?
#1838
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20%???? No way. Try 100% and full retro. And I'm talking retro from back in my flight instructing days when I had crap pay then. By my calculations L-ASA and Skywest owe each L-XJT pilot over $100,000,000.
We're ready to burn this place to the ground if we don't get it. Yes, we know SGU(I use SGU in reference to Skywest, Inc. headquarters because I'm so awesome and cool) we know they don't mess around, but we're prepared to fight.
Informational picketing starts tomorrow outside the A tech center in ATL. Will our L-ASA brothers stand with us?
We're ready to burn this place to the ground if we don't get it. Yes, we know SGU(I use SGU in reference to Skywest, Inc. headquarters because I'm so awesome and cool) we know they don't mess around, but we're prepared to fight.
Informational picketing starts tomorrow outside the A tech center in ATL. Will our L-ASA brothers stand with us?
#1839
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Merry Christmas to all. Oh yea, any good rumors at xjet?
#1840
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I had forgotten about this thread. Thanks for bumping it up.
Where is this new CPA?
I do hear the company is frustrated at the stonewalling.
Our contract was not driving us bankrupt. That was Skywest's doing. They broke it, they bought it.
I think that the point was that the work rules we would need in order for the LXJT side not to take a concession would be of a magnitude that management would not go for. After all, they are asking to take away vacation low. That alone would be the biggest concession!
I think its conceivable that you guys can move to smartpref IF there were the right work rules associated with it. Why is that not rational?
As for reserve rules, yes, touch up some of ours and put that in the new contract. But along with other touch ups in other sections of the contract.
This is not true. I've read all the 10qs and they've been doing it for at least the last few.
BR said this merger would produce about $70 million a year in savings. We don't need to be the cheapest labor group for this operation to make money.
Any improvement in the LXJT compensation and work rules, may seem like asking to price ourselves out to others. Maybe that's the perception problem?
My understanding is that this was turned down.
Why would that be? We all fly regional jets. There are no turboprops or widebodies.
As for transfers, maybe its because the company had to be reminded of what our contract says? Seems to be a regular occurrence to point out blatant violations to management. But yeah, your MO is always to take it out of context to satisfy your need.
I think our pilots, in general, want the line bidding and work rules we currently have. The MEC and management knows this. The MECs compromise will be Smartpref. This is not rocket science here. Now, which side is more reasonable?
The system will only be require to hand BES. So it won't ever get to 800 lines. But my understanding is that it can be expanded with more servers in order to accommodate whatever size bid and speed of resolution we want.
Actually, didn't you say that Mcpickle has been working on smartpref for over a year? My understanding is that there has been no serious consideration of smartpref from your side. They haven't even run a solution using actual trips whereas our side has with flight line.
Reference Bozo's last post quoting your rep.
Also, even if the ERJ reps did tell you everything they knew its not like St. George is going to tell them "hey play nice or else". They will just do it if you continue to think you can be paid like mainline while being a contract carrier competing against others like Mesa and GoJets. I want the best contract in the regional industry that will allow my company to operate indefinitely, I don't want yours that was driving you guys to bankruptcy.
Also, even if the ERJ reps did tell you everything they knew its not like St. George is going to tell them "hey play nice or else". They will just do it if you continue to think you can be paid like mainline while being a contract carrier competing against others like Mesa and GoJets. I want the best contract in the regional industry that will allow my company to operate indefinitely, I don't want yours that was driving you guys to bankruptcy.
Let's be rational here. There is ZERO chance we all move to your line bidding system and there is ZERO chance the ASA pilots go for SmartPref.
The best chance to get this deal done quickly is stick with the ASA PBS system, touch up on the reserve rules, and move on. Having more lines for your junior pilots and less time racing your fellow pilots to the computer is a much better alternative than the hammer
The best chance to get this deal done quickly is stick with the ASA PBS system, touch up on the reserve rules, and move on. Having more lines for your junior pilots and less time racing your fellow pilots to the computer is a much better alternative than the hammer
As for reserve rules, yes, touch up some of ours and put that in the new contract. But along with other touch ups in other sections of the contract.
You're missing the point between wanting more and being selfish. I've already stated I'm not for concessions. As for what you guys want, voiced here on this forums only, would be foolish. Contract workers is all we are, a set price determined by the negotiations of our management. Price yourself out of the game and you'll no longer play. It's a simple equation really, which is being undermined by younger, newly established players, ie. GoJetzzz. I'm not here to stay, I'm sure you're not either, why price yourself out before you get the chance to leave. Modest pay raise, a little better work rules, I'm happy to sign and be out the door.
Any improvement in the LXJT compensation and work rules, may seem like asking to price ourselves out to others. Maybe that's the perception problem?
Based on PCL/Mesaba/Colgan seniority integration award formula, the senior most XJT pilot would be placed about 380 on the list with relative after that.
Company asked XJT MEC to transfer XJT pilots to ASA side and/or voluntary furloughs...XJT MEC said no to both requests...
Company asked XJT MEC to transfer XJT pilots to ASA side and/or voluntary furloughs...XJT MEC said no to both requests...
As for transfers, maybe its because the company had to be reminded of what our contract says? Seems to be a regular occurrence to point out blatant violations to management. But yeah, your MO is always to take it out of context to satisfy your need.
That is the most asinine thing I've heard yet.
Your side pushing SmartPref or nothing isn't meeting in the middle! That was your opening position when McK started pushing it a year ago! The facts, truth, whatever you want to call it is that SmartPref is not a viable system for primary bidding. It can barely even handle your secondary bidding! Yet your side refuses to move off this position of "SmartPref or current line bidding". It's being used as a poison pill. That's not compromising anything. And if we ask SKW which side is more reasonable, we all know what the answer is.
Your side pushing SmartPref or nothing isn't meeting in the middle! That was your opening position when McK started pushing it a year ago! The facts, truth, whatever you want to call it is that SmartPref is not a viable system for primary bidding. It can barely even handle your secondary bidding! Yet your side refuses to move off this position of "SmartPref or current line bidding". It's being used as a poison pill. That's not compromising anything. And if we ask SKW which side is more reasonable, we all know what the answer is.
I have done just that. Twice. I was impressed by its capabilities, but so far it hasn't actually worked in a real world scenario. We can't get the system to work with our training schedules. That doesn't bode well for the future. It's an unproven system and as of now it still hasn't been tested with a full bid of 800+ lines plus reserve.
Actually, didn't you say that Mcpickle has been working on smartpref for over a year? My understanding is that there has been no serious consideration of smartpref from your side. They haven't even run a solution using actual trips whereas our side has with flight line.
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