What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-12-2012, 11:50 AM
#171
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Or comair 700/900s ... Not wishing any negative impact on either pilot group.
06-12-2012, 12:05 PM
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The word going around is we will have a TA probably by the end of the week. Looks like things are starting to look good for us all. I for one hope this is true, but we will find out soon. Either way we are close to a TA should this not be the case. Also was told by a maint that more 70/90's are coming.....:-)
06-12-2012, 12:24 PM
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Sorry if this is somewhere else, but what are the current end dates for Delta Connection CRJ-200 contracts, for Pinnacle/SkyWest/ExpressJet?
In other words, from which airline(s) will the 200s mainly come from initially, and which airlines will receive new 76-seaters first?
In other words, from which airline(s) will the 200s mainly come from initially, and which airlines will receive new 76-seaters first?
06-12-2012, 01:49 PM
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First this is all speculation considering nothing has been voted, as mentioned a million times. Things change in a heart beat, just look at Skywest Inc. buying you, you see that coming? Probably not, I don't think you were working there but you understand my point.
As per the TA, 50 seat RJs (operated by more regionals than just us) don't START to leave until Delta receives 717s. These are scheule to start in 2nd half 2013. This isn't going to happen overnight! You're not going to be furloughed!
United is under negotiations, what happens if they want to do the same? You need to look around more than just Delta. Take a look at the whole industry including positives such as future hiring etc.
Lastely, when a company wants to rush a contract there is a reason, potential American flying??
Typed on iPhone, excuse errors.
As per the TA, 50 seat RJs (operated by more regionals than just us) don't START to leave until Delta receives 717s. These are scheule to start in 2nd half 2013. This isn't going to happen overnight! You're not going to be furloughed!
United is under negotiations, what happens if they want to do the same? You need to look around more than just Delta. Take a look at the whole industry including positives such as future hiring etc.
Lastely, when a company wants to rush a contract there is a reason, potential American flying??
Typed on iPhone, excuse errors.
Am I'm not so much worried about being furloughed as being stagnated in the right seat forever. And again, lest I start some "I had spend five years on reserve and seven til I upgraded so you should shut up" hate thing, I have much respect for those that stuck it out that long, but I can't do that. So for me the prospect of a stagnation of movement over a long period isn't much better than a furlough. I gambled on taking a shot at the regionals; I don't have a decade to spend there before I move on.
06-12-2012, 01:52 PM
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Correct in that they cannot bid on new contracts until the merger is final.
Also, INC wants the process done and finished because the real cost savings, the reason for the entire merger to begin with, will not be seen and taken advantage of until everything is wrapped up.
Two reasons to get this shat finished. Shat.
Also, INC wants the process done and finished because the real cost savings, the reason for the entire merger to begin with, will not be seen and taken advantage of until everything is wrapped up.
Two reasons to get this shat finished. Shat.
Everything else is being combined already. I don't see what you are getting at.
06-12-2012, 01:56 PM
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People seem to assume that a two for one swap, 200s for one 900 will happen at one company. There is no reason that delta, xjet, bombardier could not negotiate a deal that takes 2-50s from pinnacle( bankruptcy) and hand xjet a 900. Me thinks the bigger pitcure has to do with delta being on the hook for 2 billion plus in MX costs, engines etc...
As far as the contract goes, yes the company needs to know there costs to bid new flying but they have great lawyers and can figure those costs out without an agreement . There is only so much money in the pot for a new contract and that is what numbers they will use. Or just walk away and give the finger to alpa and move forward with plan B.
The crj 700/900 in Atl is way fat on captains and there is a reason, probably because of an RFP for Atl pinnacle 900 flying?
As far as the contract goes, yes the company needs to know there costs to bid new flying but they have great lawyers and can figure those costs out without an agreement . There is only so much money in the pot for a new contract and that is what numbers they will use. Or just walk away and give the finger to alpa and move forward with plan B.
The crj 700/900 in Atl is way fat on captains and there is a reason, probably because of an RFP for Atl pinnacle 900 flying?
That being said, I hope that's exactly what happens. I hope it works out great for the new Expressjet on both sides and everyone's happy. I'm just not sure at this point.
06-12-2012, 02:21 PM
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Why would they take planes from Pinnacle, who is going to emerge as a really cheap operator post-bankruptcy (after all, Delta kept them from going out of business for a reason) and give them to xjet, who will probably be more expensive?
That being said, I hope that's exactly what happens. I hope it works out great for the new Expressjet on both sides and everyone's happy. I'm just not sure at this point.
That being said, I hope that's exactly what happens. I hope it works out great for the new Expressjet on both sides and everyone's happy. I'm just not sure at this point.
06-12-2012, 08:35 PM
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Skywest is the best financed regional out there right now. The most attractive lease rates, the largest fleet of crj700's 900's in the world also give them the economies of scale for cheap operating costs, and the security of dealing with a company that won't be going out of business. Delta is only the DIP financing for Pinnacle. If you read about DIP financing they are usually the vultures of the industry. If the company liquidates they are the first to get paid before any other creditor. They do not care about Pinnacle but could not allow them to disappear overnight.
06-12-2012, 09:07 PM
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Exactly. Not to mention that RAH isn't looking that great at the moment either. I read a few news articles where RAH stated that unless their finances change significantly they re headed for ch.11 as well. Skywest it seems is he only operator with cash, the ability to expand, and the ability to stay around as a cheap player.
06-13-2012, 09:32 PM
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No one is denying that, but the difference between some of us and the rest of you generation entitlement is that I don't expect other pilot groups to pay for my misfortunes. If the roles were reversed I would not expect the crj guys to pay for it if they can help it.
So the reality still stands, we'll know the results of the Delta TA, and vote accordingly, but if you think I'm going to turn my back on my brothers to save another pilot group, you're delusional!
So the reality still stands, we'll know the results of the Delta TA, and vote accordingly, but if you think I'm going to turn my back on my brothers to save another pilot group, you're delusional!
When I was hired, I just so happened to be placed in an ATL CRJ FO position. You're whole premise of "protecting XJET jobs" is flawed. Please just remember that next time you want to throw around your "legacy XJET ways!"
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