drrhythm2

What makes you think no 50's would leave until the end of 2015? Because that's when the contract is up? What happens when Delta says "you either agree to start getting rid of 2 50's for every new 70/76 seat jet we give you right now, or after 2015 your contract will not be renewed and you won't be doing business with us again, ever."?

Now if there is something to that effect in the Delta TA, that's another story and I hope that's the case, but I'm just saying...

Xjetter

exactly...why do you think skywest bought us to merge with ASA?? ASA's contract with delta is a loser..

JustAnotherPLT

First this is all speculation considering nothing has been voted, as mentioned a million times. Things change in a heart beat, just look at Skywest Inc. buying you, you see that coming? Probably not, I don't think you were working there but you understand my point.

As per the TA, 50 seat RJs (operated by more regionals than just us) don't START to leave until Delta receives 717s. These are scheule to start in 2nd half 2013. This isn't going to happen overnight! You're not going to be furloughed!

United is under negotiations, what happens if they want to do the same? You need to look around more than just Delta. Take a look at the whole industry including positives such as future hiring etc.

Lastely, when a company wants to rush a contract there is a reason, potential American flying??

Typed on iPhone, excuse errors.

skigambia

The way I see it is this. There is a reason why the negotiations have been sped up. There is a reason why they replaced SH with CT. There is a reason why Skywest Inc has put pressure on both sides to get this deal done. The reason is not because the cost of having two seperate sides is too much, it practically costs them nothing. Knowing that Skywest Inc is the only regional that has a strong credit rating, and cash reserves to go out and make some noise, combine that with the recent events that have made some of Eagles and Pinnacles along with some USAir flying up for bid, I have to believe that INC wants this done to make a play for more flying.
You can vote no, in the belief that it shields the ERJ pilots, but I honestly be it would be closing the door to a decent amount of growth.

Confused

Correct in that they cannot bid on new contracts until the merger is final.

Also, INC wants the process done and finished because the real cost savings, the reason for the entire merger to begin with, will not be seen and taken advantage of until everything is wrapped up.

Two reasons to get this shat finished. Shat.

xjtguy

Ehhhhh, not so sure about that.

Remember when the whole deal was being pitched there'd be "80 million dollars saved in synergies" from merging the operations.

80 million saved does't really equate to "cost them nothing".

skigambia

"Remember when the whole deal was being pitched there'd be "80 million dollars saved in synergies" from merging the operations.
80 million saved does't really equate to "cost them nothing".The airline is one now, most of the savings have been achieved."

Think about it, what is the additional cost that they are incurring by having ASA legacy fly the CRJ and Expressjet Legacy flying the ERJ exclusively. They have streamlined most other operations within the company. Combining the two pilot groups will even add additional costs with training, and hopefully the additional pay/QOl from the subsequent contract.

xjtguy

Oh, I don't know, the redundancy that STILL exists on various levels?

Not really sure how you're looking at it, but you don't really need to think about ANYTHING.

I'd LOVE to seen how much money has been saved on some of the "streamline" that's happened. Let's see, flight cancellations from scheduling's incompetence, MX cx's on a rate we've NEVER seen before on the ERJ side due to streamlining, etc etc etc......

Kilroy

The word going around is we will have a TA probably by the end of the week. Looks like things are starting to look good for us all. I for one hope this is true, but we will find out soon. Either way we are close to a TA should this not be the case. Also was told by a maint that more 70/90's are coming.....:-)

Bigshooter107

People seem to assume that a two for one swap, 200s for one 900 will happen at one company. There is no reason that delta, xjet, bombardier could not negotiate a deal that takes 2-50s from pinnacle( bankruptcy) and hand xjet a 900. Me thinks the bigger pitcure has to do with delta being on the hook for 2 billion plus in MX costs, engines etc...
As far as the contract goes, yes the company needs to know there costs to bid new flying but they have great lawyers and can figure those costs out without an agreement . There is only so much money in the pot for a new contract and that is what numbers they will use. Or just walk away and give the finger to alpa and move forward with plan B.
The crj 700/900 in Atl is way fat on captains and there is a reason, probably because of an RFP for Atl pinnacle 900 flying?