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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
It's seriously scary we have people who talk the way you do. Your a grown man for God's sake. You married? Kids? Would you want your kids talking the way you do? It's downright embarrassing man. No one is lying here, both sides are being stubborn. I hope my kids never speak the way you do ANY situation. We are supposed to be adults here. Sure you are probably speaking to a lot of kids who are immature on here...but we both know you're very much an adult Tony, start acting like it and take the high road. You're making us all look bad.
Have you looked at the language used on The Pipe? Glass house baby!
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
It's seriously scary we have people who talk the way you do in our cockpits. Your a grown man for God's sake. You married? Kids? Would you want your kids talking the way you do? It's downright embarrassing man. No one is lying here, both sides are being stubborn. I hope my kids never speak the way you do ANY situation. We are supposed to be adults here. Sure you are probably speaking to a lot of kids who are immature on here...but we both know you're very much an adult Tony, start acting like it and take the high road. You're making us all look bad.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
Have you looked at the language used on The Pipe? Glass house baby!
The above definitely applies to the pipe. Its embarrassing.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot

no matter how bad things are between the pilot groups I would never advocate shutting the other side down because they didnt "play ball". Yet again.. the entire L-XJT pilot group has been given NOTHING to vote on or any info to "play ball" with.
Your MEC has been given something to play ball with...They don't want to play ball...
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by blastoff
Yes. You are a liar. I'm a fair, though. Show us one example of your group moving off the position of retaining your PBS or nothing, and I'll reconsider. Otherwise its only the XJT group that has been re-educating its group on the merits of leaving behind the old system. We have nice, colorful Powerpoint presentations courtesy of McKnight...I want to see the ones your MEC made.
Why should we move off what is widely regarded as the best PBS system in the industry for an unproven never used PBS that you guys can't even get going for your reserve pilots.

We're in no hurry, so we will just stick with our popular PBS system and watch you guys wrestle with SmartPref....
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 3stripes
Wow! Amazingly CaptainTony, you and I agree on something! This push for SmartPerf has gone on too long. They have been telling us that we will be using it for Phase Two bidding since November last year. Over a year later we still haven't used it as it still isn't ready. If we are pushing for SmartPerf or nothing then we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
Better talk to McPickle about that...He has been shooting you guys in the foot for over a year now with little PBS experiment...
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
Ive been flying here 2 years now and really NO ONE I have talked to is against PBS. Yes there are reservations of course, but most are open to the idea, as far as I can tell, as long as there is contract language to prevent getting butfukced.
You guys are starting to come around on PBS, now if you could just quit playing with that Smartpref....
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 3stripes
I have done just that. Twice. I was impressed by its capabilities, but so far it hasn't actually worked in a real world scenario. We can't get the system to work with our training schedules. That doesn't bode well for the future. It's an unproven system and as of now it still hasn't been tested with a full bid of 800+ lines plus reserve.
Which is exactly what our MEC said would happen, but you guys listened to McPickle instead....
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
The above definitely applies to the pipe. Its embarrassing.
Whether you like it or not, the Pipe represents your pilot group. If they are a vocal minority, then it is the job of the majority to police them and take them to task. If you don't, then they speak for you on the Pipe.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:15 AM
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This is what I heard. Back when ASA wanted to go to pbs, Management would not allow asamec to research and find the best system for them. Management basically shoved this program down thier throats. FFwd to now. ASA management suddenly wants the asa mec to look at different pbs programs and the asa mec is basially telling management that they made their bed and to lay in it. probably a fabrication, but it sounds very plausible.
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