What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
11-04-2012, 02:53 PM
#1421
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: UniCal 737 FO
Posts: 413
So having a ton of open time is amazing? Of course if your junior you want this. To everyone else, the guys that have been here for a long time (probably still holding crappy schedules) would like to see that "open time" in the pot for everyone, thus possibly making their life better (you know, through the seniority bidding PBS process). By setting aside all this open time you just keep it from everyone, only to let the guys jizzing over the keyboard in the 5 minutes it opens to take it all. Nope, not gonna happen. Not at LASA. Call us a s s holes, but keeping parings on the side only to let those trigger happy guys nab it all up is not fair.
11-04-2012, 04:30 PM
#1422
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Captain
Posts: 101
Not necessarily. I said it in an earlier post, but lets walk through a hypothetical scenario:
Condition #1: You are mid-to-bottom tier line holder for your seat. You hold a line for next month but it's not awesome. Maybe you need to slide a trip one day or trade a 4-day for a 2-day to make little Johnny's birthday party. Or you want to drop as much as you can to maximize your days off and ability to pick up.
Solution: With the line bidding, line holders have their schedule usually around the 7-9th for the NEXT month. The ILIW usually opens a week after Phase One lines are awarded (so around the 14-16th). Because we have open time and "bad-day, worse-day" trading, you can monkey around with your schedule for a week before the ILIW to make sure that you are either at the hotel before it opens or at home. If you have a 16 hour duty and a reduced rest overnight but getting that day off next month is that important to you, suck it up, get on the computer for 20 mins and make it happen. Or train your wife. Or go to bed and complain about it to your crew the next morning.
Condition #2: You are relatively senior in your seat and base. You get your top five choice of lines every month. You get what you want and life is good.
Solution: Ignore the "silliness" of the ILIW. You are probably so old you don't understand these "new fangled" computer systems anyway. Try to at least have a bowel movement so you can enjoy your layover. You don't have a dog in this fight.
I know some of you ASA guys are too new to know or too old to remember, but open time is a GOOD THING. You know that crummy 4-day with layovers you hate? See two 2-days that are worth more and give you an extra day at home? Trade it! Have a trip with a captain you can't stand? Trade it! It's options folks, not a seniority grab.
Condition #1: You are mid-to-bottom tier line holder for your seat. You hold a line for next month but it's not awesome. Maybe you need to slide a trip one day or trade a 4-day for a 2-day to make little Johnny's birthday party. Or you want to drop as much as you can to maximize your days off and ability to pick up.
Solution: With the line bidding, line holders have their schedule usually around the 7-9th for the NEXT month. The ILIW usually opens a week after Phase One lines are awarded (so around the 14-16th). Because we have open time and "bad-day, worse-day" trading, you can monkey around with your schedule for a week before the ILIW to make sure that you are either at the hotel before it opens or at home. If you have a 16 hour duty and a reduced rest overnight but getting that day off next month is that important to you, suck it up, get on the computer for 20 mins and make it happen. Or train your wife. Or go to bed and complain about it to your crew the next morning.
Condition #2: You are relatively senior in your seat and base. You get your top five choice of lines every month. You get what you want and life is good.
Solution: Ignore the "silliness" of the ILIW. You are probably so old you don't understand these "new fangled" computer systems anyway. Try to at least have a bowel movement so you can enjoy your layover. You don't have a dog in this fight.
I know some of you ASA guys are too new to know or too old to remember, but open time is a GOOD THING. You know that crummy 4-day with layovers you hate? See two 2-days that are worth more and give you an extra day at home? Trade it! Have a trip with a captain you can't stand? Trade it! It's options folks, not a seniority grab.
B. less opentime, less reserves more line holders. Ur cool with keeping a few extra guys on reserve so u can trade a trip?
C. Line bidding will not be part of any JCBA
11-04-2012, 04:59 PM
#1423
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,134
It's NOT "set aside", it's simply whats generated by conflict.
As was pointed out earlier, A LOT of guys simply get what they want on the initial award and don't bother touching it after that. They simply use it as a tool later on in case something changed last minute, etc. Or they found out after the award that they have to move a day, or days, etc.
See above, happens ALL the time.
If you were senior FO and the PBS system created "efficiency" that pushed off your upgrade longer and longer, you "cool" with that?
Good chance of this. Also a good chance, more like certain vacation low won't EITHER. You cool with that?
As was pointed out earlier, A LOT of guys simply get what they want on the initial award and don't bother touching it after that. They simply use it as a tool later on in case something changed last minute, etc. Or they found out after the award that they have to move a day, or days, etc.
See above, happens ALL the time.
Good chance of this. Also a good chance, more like certain vacation low won't EITHER. You cool with that?
11-04-2012, 05:05 PM
#1424
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: UniCal 737 FO
Posts: 413
ASA will never go back to line bidding. We will be 2 separate groups until you guys get over yourself.
11-04-2012, 05:56 PM
#1426
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Catching breathe
Posts: 240
For the love of pete, can we get off this? NOBODY is going to change anybodys mind. Everything has been said a million times over. None of us have a say in this anyways. Can we at least wait until we actually have some semblance of a TA to argue over then? Stop beating the horse.
11-04-2012, 06:03 PM
#1427
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Position: Grounded
Posts: 451
For the love of pete, can we get off this? NOBODY is going to change anybodys mind. Everything has been said a million times over. None of us have a say in this anyways. Can we at least wait until we actually have some semblance of a TA to argue over then? Stop beating the horse.
Patience and understanding doesn't exist. Not part of the checklist item.
11-04-2012, 06:40 PM
#1428
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Position: Doing what you do, for less.
Posts: 1,792
11-04-2012, 07:14 PM
#1429
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 1,316
Of course it's a ATL 700/900 reservist that will take a shot at PBS. Your temporary pain is blinding you.
I believe what my schedule and paycheck says, and without a doubt, both have gotten better because of PBS. Because you're on the currently overstaffed and very senior ATL 700 you haven't had a chance to enjoy Lineholder benefits that everyone your seniority in every other category enjoys. Come April of next year I guarantee your tune will change
I believe what my schedule and paycheck says, and without a doubt, both have gotten better because of PBS. Because you're on the currently overstaffed and very senior ATL 700 you haven't had a chance to enjoy Lineholder benefits that everyone your seniority in every other category enjoys. Come April of next year I guarantee your tune will change
If you are going to try and convince a very skeptical group of people that they should trust a system that at first seems evil and foreign, at least come up with something solid.
The point you were trying to make is negligible at best.
11-04-2012, 07:43 PM
#1430
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
If this management group was serious about "cost competitiveness" then they can start by fixing some of the systemic inefficiencies that riddle this company. Ever since this merger, it has been one example of management buffoonery trumped by another and I, for one, am tired of subsidizing it with my paycheck and QOL. Period. And if that means the JCBA gets dragged out, so be it. Because I am not accepting a piece-of-junk contract just so we can all hold hands at the kool-aid fountain, proclaiming our love of PBS as one, big happy family while Jerry and friends laugh all the way to the bank. Nope, ain't gonna happen.
For the love of pete, can we get off this? NOBODY is going to change anybodys mind. Everything has been said a million times over. None of us have a say in this anyways. Can we at least wait until we actually have some semblance of a TA to argue over then? Stop beating the horse.
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