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11-04-2012, 06:37 AM
#1401
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24 hours. But really the first 1-15 mins are all that matters. After that it's all poop and all the days that were above coverage are gone (if there were any to begin with). Boo crappy schedulers, Hooray beer!
I can't help but laugh at you L-ASA types who think the ILIW is some encumbrance on our lives. It's 24 hours once a month and it's not something you HAVE to do. It's just the time you have the OPTION of improving your schedule. And it's not even really 24 hours out of your life; if anything awesome is gonna happen, it happens in the first few minutes of the window opening. Now, if you got what you wanted from the bid (like all the senior, PBS-loving CRJ-types claim) then who cares about the line IMPROVEMENT window? You have nothing to improve on, right? So quit whining, congratulate yourself on how awesomely senior you are, go to the bar and have a beer without having to feel awkward when you don't buy the first round. Sheesh!
I can't help but laugh at you L-ASA types who think the ILIW is some encumbrance on our lives. It's 24 hours once a month and it's not something you HAVE to do. It's just the time you have the OPTION of improving your schedule. And it's not even really 24 hours out of your life; if anything awesome is gonna happen, it happens in the first few minutes of the window opening. Now, if you got what you wanted from the bid (like all the senior, PBS-loving CRJ-types claim) then who cares about the line IMPROVEMENT window? You have nothing to improve on, right? So quit whining, congratulate yourself on how awesomely senior you are, go to the bar and have a beer without having to feel awkward when you don't buy the first round. Sheesh!
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11-04-2012, 06:48 AM
#1402
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Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
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Let me get this straight. To really get what you want (or to have the most choices in the ILIW) you have to be ready to pounce when it opens? So what about the folks that are flying, or away from a computer during that time. They just get the scraps? Sounds like an awesome system to me.
.But no, you're right: having the OPPORTUNITY to improve your schedule is a way worse system than getting stuck with crap and having no open time to trade with
Last edited by freezingflyboy; 11-04-2012 at 06:51 AM. Reason: Spelling and better thoughts entering my head
11-04-2012, 06:53 AM
#1403
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
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Let me get this straight. To really get what you want (or to have the most choices in the ILIW) you have to be ready to pounce when it opens? So what about the folks that are flying, or away from a computer during that time. They just get the scraps? Sounds like an awesome system to me.
.Doesn't really matter as there won't be a new CBA without PBS....Whether that is sooner or later is totally up to the LXJT side.
11-04-2012, 06:54 AM
#1404
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
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If you take the pedestrian approach, then yes. However, if there is something you really really need in the ILIW you...wait for it...IMPROVE YOUR LINE...the month leading up to the next ILIW, through trip trades and/or drops to get the ILIW off. It's like any other event in your life: if it is THAT important to you, you get it off. On top of that, the company usually schedules it late enough that there are very few conflicts (usually it opens at 2200-2300).
But no, you're right: having the OPPORTUNITY to improve your schedule is a way worse system than getting stuck with crap and having no open time to trade with
But no, you're right: having the OPPORTUNITY to improve your schedule is a way worse system than getting stuck with crap and having no open time to trade with
11-04-2012, 07:00 AM
#1405
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That's because the LXJT folks don't respect seniority the same way we do on the LASA side. If we had the same system here, we would have the LIW's based on seniority....Not who is fastest on the keyboard at 12:01.
Doesn't really matter as there won't be a new CBA without PBS....Whether that is sooner or later is totally up to the LXJT side.
Doesn't really matter as there won't be a new CBA without PBS....Whether that is sooner or later is totally up to the LXJT side.
If sooner means a concessionary contract with PBS and later means no PBS and keeping my current contract longer (also concessionary but still better than what I hear about management is kicking around) ...then later please.
11-04-2012, 07:01 AM
#1406
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And explain how that would work!? You sit down and make a schedule and give each guy a five-minute crack at open time based on seniority order? Sounds more ludicrous than the ILIW if you ask me.
11-04-2012, 07:26 AM
#1407
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Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT:1287327
On the ERJ side, my last awarded line was 75 hrs and only 12 days off. After the ILIW, I only had 60 hours of credit but 20 days off. Now I get to choose when I want to come to work. I can pick up remaining open time or other people's advertised trips. Some of these advertised trips offer extra money. If red flag is up, I have the free time to pick some of that up too.
There's no way with my low seniority I could ever hold something this nice with PBS. Would it be nice to get a line I wanted without having to do a dance on the computer? Absolutely. But the ILIW is why all levels of seniority have some flexibility to make their lives so much better.
There's no way with my low seniority I could ever hold something this nice with PBS. Would it be nice to get a line I wanted without having to do a dance on the computer? Absolutely. But the ILIW is why all levels of seniority have some flexibility to make their lives so much better.
Sorry but the whole concept of run to the computer improvement window for a 24 hour period where only the first "1-15 minutes" is important is BEYOND ridiculous.
11-04-2012, 07:26 AM
#1408
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Respect seniority!? What are you on about?! We LINE BID which is the truest respect for seniority there is! First guy gets his choice, then the next guy and so on. What about that doesn't respect seniority!? PBS rewards those can think most like a programmer. How does that honor seniority?
It's really not difficult to learn the system, however I can see how it might test your skill level....
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
If sooner means a concessionary contract with PBS and later means no PBS and keeping my current contract longer (also concessionary but still better than what I hear about management is kicking around) ...then later please.
11-04-2012, 07:32 AM
#1409
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This Thanksgiving, I did better than I ever did with line bidding. I was able to build a week off around Thanksgiving. One of two weeks off during the month. That would have never happened with line bidding.
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
And explain how that would work!? You sit down and make a schedule and give each guy a five-minute crack at open time based on seniority order? Sounds more ludicrous than the ILIW if you ask me.
11-04-2012, 07:45 AM
#1410
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20 days off at 60 credit! What an awesome schedule! Yippie for you! This summer I was holding schedules with 18 days off and 88 credit.
Sorry but the whole concept of run to the computer improvement window for a 24 hour period where only the first "1-15 minutes" is important is BEYOND ridiculous.
Sorry but the whole concept of run to the computer improvement window for a 24 hour period where only the first "1-15 minutes" is important is BEYOND ridiculous.
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