What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
10-30-2012, 08:25 AM
#1321
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,134
To be honest, I feel I represent some, not all, views of the ASA side. We would like to move on with this contract but it seems we've hit a bump in the road, LXJT. The conversations I have with people I fly with seem to drum up the same conclusion, LXJT is being difficult. This isn't a personal attack, it's a business attack. You feel strongly about, well, whatever it is you feel strongly about. Work rules, the state of the industry, etc. I would say some on our side feel a little different.
I don't see why I have to be less divisive. My comment above is humorous. PizzaPilot posted out of strong emotions and published erroneous numerical data, only to confess later. Am I not allowed to post a funny picture? I will not apologize that you've taken offense.
I believe my views would be apart of the solution.
Humorous
Lets not open a pandora box of endless arguments. The debate about quality and cost of higher education in the country has no foreseeable end insight. Do you believe a doctor, lawyer, or trash man receive adequate compensation? The complexities of our industry and competitiveness of others drive our wages. We are where we can sustain a business.
I don't see why I have to be less divisive. My comment above is humorous. PizzaPilot posted out of strong emotions and published erroneous numerical data, only to confess later. Am I not allowed to post a funny picture? I will not apologize that you've taken offense.
I believe my views would be apart of the solution.
Humorous
Lets not open a pandora box of endless arguments. The debate about quality and cost of higher education in the country has no foreseeable end insight. Do you believe a doctor, lawyer, or trash man receive adequate compensation? The complexities of our industry and competitiveness of others drive our wages. We are where we can sustain a business.
Yet you STILL flamed him afterwards. Classy man, real classy......
10-30-2012, 08:29 AM
#1322
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Posts: 660
10-30-2012, 08:47 AM
#1323
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ERJ right
Posts: 265
To be honest, I feel I represent some, not all, views of the ASA side. We would like to move on with this contract but it seems we've hit a bump in the road, LXJT. The conversations I have with people I fly with seem to drum up the same conclusion, LXJT is being difficult. This isn't a personal attack, it's a business attack. You feel strongly about, well, whatever it is you feel strongly about. Work rules, the state of the industry, etc. I would say some on our side feel a little different.
I don't see why I have to be less divisive. My comment above is humorous. PizzaPilot posted out of strong emotions and published erroneous numerical data, only to confess later. Am I not allowed to post a funny picture? I will not apologize that you've taken offense.
I believe my views would be apart of the solution.
Humorous
Lets not open a pandora box of endless arguments. The debate about quality and cost of higher education in the country has no foreseeable end insight. Do you believe a doctor, lawyer, or trash man receive adequate compensation? The complexities of our industry and competitiveness of others drive our wages. We are where we can sustain a business.
I don't see why I have to be less divisive. My comment above is humorous. PizzaPilot posted out of strong emotions and published erroneous numerical data, only to confess later. Am I not allowed to post a funny picture? I will not apologize that you've taken offense.
I believe my views would be apart of the solution.
Humorous
Lets not open a pandora box of endless arguments. The debate about quality and cost of higher education in the country has no foreseeable end insight. Do you believe a doctor, lawyer, or trash man receive adequate compensation? The complexities of our industry and competitiveness of others drive our wages. We are where we can sustain a business.
10-30-2012, 09:45 AM
#1324
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,602
Originally Posted by BelowMins:1284997
To be honest, I feel I represent some, not all, views of the ASA side. We would like to move on with this contract but it seems we've hit a bump in the road, LXJT. The conversations I have with people I fly with seem to drum up the same conclusion, LXJT is being difficult. This isn't a personal attack, it's a business attack. You feel strongly about, well, whatever it is you feel strongly about. Work rules, the state of the industry, etc. I would say some on our side feel a little different.
I don't see why I have to be less divisive. My comment above is humorous. PizzaPilot posted out of strong emotions and published erroneous numerical data, only to confess later. Am I not allowed to post a funny picture? I will not apologize that you've taken offense.
I believe my views would be apart of the solution.
Humorous
Lets not open a pandora box of endless arguments. The debate about quality and cost of higher education in the country has no foreseeable end insight. Do you believe a doctor, lawyer, or trash man receive adequate compensation? The complexities of our industry and competitiveness of others drive our wages. We are where we can sustain a business.
I don't see why I have to be less divisive. My comment above is humorous. PizzaPilot posted out of strong emotions and published erroneous numerical data, only to confess later. Am I not allowed to post a funny picture? I will not apologize that you've taken offense.
I believe my views would be apart of the solution.
Humorous
Lets not open a pandora box of endless arguments. The debate about quality and cost of higher education in the country has no foreseeable end insight. Do you believe a doctor, lawyer, or trash man receive adequate compensation? The complexities of our industry and competitiveness of others drive our wages. We are where we can sustain a business.
10-30-2012, 10:11 AM
#1325
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ERJ right
Posts: 265
What responsibility? The Captain gets paid much more than me to take on that responsibility. My duties are to assist him, and I do whatever he says unless it will get me killed, violated or fired. And by him I also me she/her too.
I earn a wage that reflects the current market environment. What I think I should earn is irrelevant. If it was up to me I'd pay myself at least 500k a year with 12 weeks vacation.
I earn a wage that reflects the current market environment. What I think I should earn is irrelevant. If it was up to me I'd pay myself at least 500k a year with 12 weeks vacation.
10-30-2012, 10:14 AM
#1326
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ERJ right
Posts: 265
Are you on the negotiating committee or do you just come on here and bash an entire pilot group based on rumors?
10-30-2012, 10:32 AM
#1327
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 199
The company says your PBS will not be in the new contract. They want a next-gen system like the new Smartpref, so that is why we are testing it for phase two. The company hates your PBS and so we would have to make concessions on it (no mo vaca low) to keep it. No thanks, besides the XJT line bidding is cheaper for the company than your PBS. I'm not taking concessions to keep your awesome PBS and I don't think you want to either. We want this done soon but not at a loss of QOL. I talk to my rep, the NC Chairman, and our MEC chairman regularly and stay informed, it seems your knowledge comes from multiple online forums and line pilot rumors. Until there is a new contract I will keep my 16-18 days off and 3 weeks vacation and also making over 50k a year (almost 7th yr pay) with a 9% 401k contribution from the company for only putting in 5% myself. The ironic part is, because of the new Delta rates, the LXJT side is the only side making money for XJT. Luckily the new AA flying is profitable for ya'll. We all want a new contract and a profitable company but we will not take concessions to make it happen.
Enjoy your PBS while you can because the only one pushing for it is the ASA MEC. The hammer that you keep talking about is just a 3% lost of block hours for LXJT next year and that has nothing to do with Jerry, it is United dropping unprofitable flying. We got extra block hours this year for picking up Colgan flying.
10-30-2012, 12:47 PM
#1328
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 709
Your posts are getting annoying. Our MEC isn't doing anything to hurt our group. The company wants concessions and is not willing to show any proof that they are warranted. They are stalling this, not the XJT MEC.
The company says your PBS will not be in the new contract. They want a next-gen system like the new Smartpref, so that is why we are testing it for phase two. The company hates your PBS and so we would have to make concessions on it (no mo vaca low) to keep it. No thanks, besides the XJT line bidding is cheaper for the company than your PBS. I'm not taking concessions to keep your awesome PBS and I don't think you want to either. We want this done soon but not at a loss of QOL. I talk to my rep, the NC Chairman, and our MEC chairman regularly and stay informed, it seems your knowledge comes from multiple online forums and line pilot rumors. Until there is a new contract I will keep my 16-18 days off and 3 weeks vacation and also making over 50k a year (almost 7th yr pay) with a 9% 401k contribution from the company for only putting in 5% myself. The ironic part is, because of the new Delta rates, the LXJT side is the only side making money for XJT. Luckily the new AA flying is profitable for ya'll. We all want a new contract and a profitable company but we will not take concessions to make it happen.
Enjoy your PBS while you can because the only one pushing for it is the ASA MEC. The hammer that you keep talking about is just a 3% lost of block hours for LXJT next year and that has nothing to do with Jerry, it is United dropping unprofitable flying. We got extra block hours this year for picking up Colgan flying.
The company says your PBS will not be in the new contract. They want a next-gen system like the new Smartpref, so that is why we are testing it for phase two. The company hates your PBS and so we would have to make concessions on it (no mo vaca low) to keep it. No thanks, besides the XJT line bidding is cheaper for the company than your PBS. I'm not taking concessions to keep your awesome PBS and I don't think you want to either. We want this done soon but not at a loss of QOL. I talk to my rep, the NC Chairman, and our MEC chairman regularly and stay informed, it seems your knowledge comes from multiple online forums and line pilot rumors. Until there is a new contract I will keep my 16-18 days off and 3 weeks vacation and also making over 50k a year (almost 7th yr pay) with a 9% 401k contribution from the company for only putting in 5% myself. The ironic part is, because of the new Delta rates, the LXJT side is the only side making money for XJT. Luckily the new AA flying is profitable for ya'll. We all want a new contract and a profitable company but we will not take concessions to make it happen.
Enjoy your PBS while you can because the only one pushing for it is the ASA MEC. The hammer that you keep talking about is just a 3% lost of block hours for LXJT next year and that has nothing to do with Jerry, it is United dropping unprofitable flying. We got extra block hours this year for picking up Colgan flying.
10-30-2012, 01:06 PM
#1329
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 199
Management guys that came in during recurrent. We aren't making much, 1-2% margins which won't work in the long run. The plan is to re-fleet LXJT with new a/c for United (and others) that are purchased/leased by Inc and then we can get higher rates from United because of Inc's ability to finance new aircraft at low rates. LASA was still losing just a bit because of the new Delta rates. This was 9 months ago. This is why they want concessions now, to lock in lower labor rates for years before they start showing profits from the merger and before new aircraft come online.
10-30-2012, 01:19 PM
#1330
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 709
Management guys that came in during recurrent. We aren't making much, 1-2% margins which won't work in the long run. The plan is to re-fleet LXJT with new a/c for United (and others) that are purchased/leased by Inc and then we can get higher rates from United because of Inc's ability to finance new aircraft at low rates. LASA was still losing just a bit because of the new Delta rates. This was 9 months ago. This is why they want concessions now, to lock in lower labor rates for years before they start showing profits from the merger and before new aircraft come online.
As I'm sure you know they report earnings for Inc., not SKYW/LASA/LXJT separately. That may be to their advantage.
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