What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
10-24-2012, 04:59 AM
#1211
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Position: Catching breathe
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10-24-2012, 05:58 AM
#1213
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Just keep stonewalling, guys. You're doing exactly what Atkin expects you to do. Chess vs. checkers...
10-24-2012, 05:59 AM
#1214
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
You make it sound so simple. You forget we have leases on the aircraft to go along with the CPAs. You really think the company can work out such a complex deal that would likely cost them thousands in penalties just to try and violate the TPA? Not to mention the fact if they did this, our union would sue the company and would win.
10-24-2012, 06:03 AM
#1215
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: EMB145 FO
Posts: 273
For me (I'm L-XJT) it's simple. I am not overly bothered about the headline hourly rates. If we can get snap back to pre concessionary rates plus a buck or two, then I'd be fine with that. Unfortunately the market rate for regional pilots isn't great, we're up against GoJet, Republic etc all of whom have lower hourly rates than us. I think a lot of the more senior L-XJT guys want 15%+ because they know they're not leaving. While I can totally understand that I think we need to accept that we can't expect Virgin America or Allegiant levels of pay at a regional level.
What I do want is to keep our soft time and control of my schedule. I don't care how that schedule is delivered. I've worked at four airlines now. I've flown under line bidding, PBS and even a simple Excel spreadsheet schedule! The Excel actually worked best, but that's because the airline was tiny and I could speak directly to the head of scheduling. PBS worked fine, because it was programmed correctly, all of the work rules were kept in tact, our schedules were published mid month and we could trade with open time (of which about 10% of the schedule was made up).
Because of our soft time at L-XJT I actually averaged nearer $44 per hour in my first year, compared to the $23 headline hourly rate.
Give me a fair raise, my soft time, a decent schedule and maintain our work rules and I'll be happy. Then hopefully the majority of us will be out of here in a few years and the vicious cycle can continue!
I am all for one list, one stronger airline, and I include Skywest in that. Tough times are still ahead, particularly for the regionals, and we are stronger all together.
What I do want is to keep our soft time and control of my schedule. I don't care how that schedule is delivered. I've worked at four airlines now. I've flown under line bidding, PBS and even a simple Excel spreadsheet schedule! The Excel actually worked best, but that's because the airline was tiny and I could speak directly to the head of scheduling. PBS worked fine, because it was programmed correctly, all of the work rules were kept in tact, our schedules were published mid month and we could trade with open time (of which about 10% of the schedule was made up).
Because of our soft time at L-XJT I actually averaged nearer $44 per hour in my first year, compared to the $23 headline hourly rate.
Give me a fair raise, my soft time, a decent schedule and maintain our work rules and I'll be happy. Then hopefully the majority of us will be out of here in a few years and the vicious cycle can continue!
I am all for one list, one stronger airline, and I include Skywest in that. Tough times are still ahead, particularly for the regionals, and we are stronger all together.
10-24-2012, 06:08 AM
#1216
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Posts: 1,951
you better edit your post 3 Stripes. All the Nazis on The [crack]Pipe are going to attack you now for "negotiating in public". 
10-24-2012, 06:51 AM
#1217
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: EMB145 FO
Posts: 273
I think there is a big difference is saying what I want in general and stating precise hourly rates, policies, work rules etc. Hell I don't have a clue about negotiations, I haven't received a proper update about them in months.
10-24-2012, 07:03 AM
#1219
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 661
I agree that these talks of 15% raises are not sustainable. All we want is to not take concessions. No concessions in work rules and no concessions in pay. Talking to one of our negotiators recently, management is expecting us to bring everything down to ASAs current contract. I'm not trying to be one of those sticklers who doesn't listen to anyone, but I'm sorry I will never vote for this, regardless of the implications. We've lost too much already. Please, lets just keep what we have or better. We are all profitable now, so obviously its possible.
10-24-2012, 07:09 AM
#1220
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Posts: 503
Question for LXJT pilots.
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How many pilot do you have that will not make the ATP mins by 08/2012 and also include pilots that may have 1500tt but will not be 23 years old.
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How many pilot do you have that will not make the ATP mins by 08/2012 and also include pilots that may have 1500tt but will not be 23 years old.
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