What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
10-23-2012, 04:05 PM
#1181
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 194
The QOL argument doesn't square very well. ASA pilots are very aware of just how good your line bidding rules are although much of it is extra contractual and slowly disappearing. (Keep bidding conflicts and they are completing you arent they?) However, ASA pilots prefer their PBS over the line bidding you guys currently enjoy. The Smartpref system will harm way more pilots than it helps. Fall into the global constraints and it won't matter how much credit either virtual or real to keep from getting your vacation goal posted. Flightline keeps that vacation extension intact.
The thing Flightline will not keep intact is the current concept of a line divisor. Sadly the ultra senior will have to fly like the rest of us in a tough month instead of being able to pass their hours down the line. My heart breaks. Are you willing to trade your vacation extension away for the top 5 guys to fly 75 hours in a tough month?
No, SmartPref will be a serious killer of QOL of the bottom half of the seniority list in bigger domiciles and many more than that in a smaller base. We don't cling to this out of ignorance. We want to keep it because it WEEKLY LINE BIDDING! How can something that we see as a a bit better than your line bidding be a drop in QOL for your group when we see SmartPref as a huge drop in ability to maximize time off.
McKnight the devil? Keep chanting that. It only diminishes your arguments. If you can't beat the other side with logic make us look like meanies. ASA pilots hate McKnight! That's the only reason they are against SmartPref.
Sorry, not the case. I don't doubt his commitment to his pilots for one second. Disagree, yes. Hate him? No. Thanks for playing.
The thing Flightline will not keep intact is the current concept of a line divisor. Sadly the ultra senior will have to fly like the rest of us in a tough month instead of being able to pass their hours down the line. My heart breaks. Are you willing to trade your vacation extension away for the top 5 guys to fly 75 hours in a tough month?
No, SmartPref will be a serious killer of QOL of the bottom half of the seniority list in bigger domiciles and many more than that in a smaller base. We don't cling to this out of ignorance. We want to keep it because it WEEKLY LINE BIDDING! How can something that we see as a a bit better than your line bidding be a drop in QOL for your group when we see SmartPref as a huge drop in ability to maximize time off.
McKnight the devil? Keep chanting that. It only diminishes your arguments. If you can't beat the other side with logic make us look like meanies. ASA pilots hate McKnight! That's the only reason they are against SmartPref.
Sorry, not the case. I don't doubt his commitment to his pilots for one second. Disagree, yes. Hate him? No. Thanks for playing.
The only way anybody gets lube laid on thick is if we do it to ourselves when we vote on a contract. I don't plan on having anything shoved up my a$s, but you however seem to be ready to bend over for the big one.
10-23-2012, 04:28 PM
#1182
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All you guys need to f'ing chill. All of the LASA guys I have met have been really cool (especially the IAD folk) except one. Both groups have their blowhards. What we really need to do is not get so worked up over Internet rumors. I personally feel that if PBS comes, it comes. I just want to see vacation protected. Let's get 'er done folks. Tell your reps you want it done. We have two great pilot groups, so let's not waste it.
10-23-2012, 05:06 PM
#1183
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Excuse me, but where did I say I wanted any PBS in any form? And second, the McKnight quote was directed at Merchant, not the entire ASA pilot group. Thanks for playing.
The only way anybody gets lube laid on thick is if we do it to ourselves when we vote on a contract. I don't plan on having anything shoved up my a$s, but you however seem to be ready to bend over for the big one.
The only way anybody gets lube laid on thick is if we do it to ourselves when we vote on a contract. I don't plan on having anything shoved up my a$s, but you however seem to be ready to bend over for the big one.
You're right, when we vote you should vote as you feel whether it's fair in youre eyes or not.
Everybody is entitled to their opinions and a vote. All I was saying aboit the lube is if you happen to be against the TA, which honestly I don't know if i will be for or against it like yourself, ALPA and many of your coworkers are gona force it on us.
We can discuss this further when a TA comes out. Who knows, maybe we will end up in the same bar *****ing about the same **** a year from now.
All you guys need to f'ing chill. All of the LASA guys I have met have been really cool (especially the IAD folk) except one. Both groups have their blowhards. What we really need to do is not get so worked up over Internet rumors. I personally feel that if PBS comes, it comes. I just want to see vacation protected. Let's get 'er done folks. Tell your reps you want it done. We have two great pilot groups, so let's not waste it.
10-23-2012, 06:02 PM
#1184
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 84
I suggest everyone reads the last 3 pages of the TPA PDF regarding 'maximum transferrable aircraft' to other Skywest entity.
It's in the yellow MERGE AHEAD link on the ASA ALPA MEC website.
The 2007 contract was amended without your vote. Make up your own mind, on what it says. While your at it; read the whole document.
It's in the yellow MERGE AHEAD link on the ASA ALPA MEC website.
The 2007 contract was amended without your vote. Make up your own mind, on what it says. While your at it; read the whole document.
10-23-2012, 06:14 PM
#1185
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 1,316
Financial Troubles and other rumors
Ok this may start a crap throwing fest but honestly I have never heard the truth here so I figured someone may be able to add something good to this.
I have no info to back this up so when people (LASA Lifers) say this with such confidence and strong opinion I always ask if they know for sure or if they heard it from someone else (AKA rumor).
Back when Inc. purchased Expressjet were they (Expressjet) on the verge of filing for bankruptcy protection? And I mean officially in that position. Not just losing money like everyone else during that time but legitimately broke and losing more money than any airline should?
There is so much information going around that I haven't a clue of it's merit.
I hear people talking to one another about how ASA bought Expressjet so why do they have to take their name. Then they go on about how they bought a bankrupt airline. How the airline was in bankruptcy and having serious financial troubles, so those guys (LXJT) need to just deal with the fact that we bailed them out.
Now I'm not everywhere always and I can only physically be exposed to a small percentage of the employee group that I work for. So I don't know if this is a common misunderstanding (also could be the truth) amongst everyone in the group or it's just the people I come in contact with. But they are dead-set on that belief. And again I have not clue as to how true it is so I tend to just dismiss it.
I actually had a flight attendant (was fairly new) the other day tell me she truly HATES the Legacy Expressjet people. I asked why and she said it's because they caused us to lose all of our ID-90s. She was very passionate about this. Not really sure what the heck the people of LXJT have to do with our pass benefits in the Delta system but okay.
People really need to stand back for a second and think. There needs to be a large memo that is sent out by both companies clarifying some of this stuff. Putting rumors and truth to rest. It's really got to stop.
I have no info to back this up so when people (LASA Lifers) say this with such confidence and strong opinion I always ask if they know for sure or if they heard it from someone else (AKA rumor).
Back when Inc. purchased Expressjet were they (Expressjet) on the verge of filing for bankruptcy protection? And I mean officially in that position. Not just losing money like everyone else during that time but legitimately broke and losing more money than any airline should?
There is so much information going around that I haven't a clue of it's merit.
I hear people talking to one another about how ASA bought Expressjet so why do they have to take their name. Then they go on about how they bought a bankrupt airline. How the airline was in bankruptcy and having serious financial troubles, so those guys (LXJT) need to just deal with the fact that we bailed them out.
Now I'm not everywhere always and I can only physically be exposed to a small percentage of the employee group that I work for. So I don't know if this is a common misunderstanding (also could be the truth) amongst everyone in the group or it's just the people I come in contact with. But they are dead-set on that belief. And again I have not clue as to how true it is so I tend to just dismiss it.
I actually had a flight attendant (was fairly new) the other day tell me she truly HATES the Legacy Expressjet people. I asked why and she said it's because they caused us to lose all of our ID-90s. She was very passionate about this. Not really sure what the heck the people of LXJT have to do with our pass benefits in the Delta system but okay.
People really need to stand back for a second and think. There needs to be a large memo that is sent out by both companies clarifying some of this stuff. Putting rumors and truth to rest. It's really got to stop.
10-23-2012, 06:36 PM
#1186
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
I'm going to come right out and say it. YOU SOUND LIKE A FREAKING TOOL! Maybe you don't mean to sound that way but the more I read your posts, the harder it is to convince myself that you are just misrepresenting yourself.
I once worked for a company called Atlantic Southeast Airlines. I now work for a company named Expressjet as the name the Atlantic Southeast Airlines does not exist anymore as an airline. If you want to keep pointing your fingers at a someone else instead of trying to rationalize and possibly educate, then you are the problem.
I once worked for a company called Atlantic Southeast Airlines. I now work for a company named Expressjet as the name the Atlantic Southeast Airlines does not exist anymore as an airline. If you want to keep pointing your fingers at a someone else instead of trying to rationalize and possibly educate, then you are the problem.
This is business pure and simple. The two sides have different opinions and we will stay separate until those differences are settled....Either by mutual agreement or outside influence...My money says it will be an outside influence from St. George....
Originally Posted by afterburn81
Put yourself in someone elses shoes for a moment. Seriously try to do this. It's hard. But maybe you will understand for a moment.
Originally Posted by afterburn81
If you think Jerry decided to buy Expressjet because he felt bad for them, you might be mistakin. He needed someone to strengthen Atlantic Southeast Airlines. ASA needed Expressjet and vice versa.
Originally Posted by afterburn81
How about you come to YOUR senses and give up everything you earned so that the LXJET guys don't have to? There's a solution. Give up your contract that you worked for over the years and I bet the company will let the LXJET guys keep what they have. You will see things move real fast. Oh but why should you make a sacrifice? It's so much easier to tell someone else that they need to.
Sounds stupid but that is what you are asking of them.
Sounds stupid but that is what you are asking of them.
They can ask for all they want...Doesn't mean it is going to happen...I'm fine with staying separate....
10-23-2012, 06:41 PM
#1187
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
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The TPA doesn't prevent retiring aircraft that are no longer part of a current agreement and adding aircraft at another carrier....I'm surprised that you can't see through that agreement....
10-23-2012, 06:45 PM
#1188
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
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I hope the L-XJT folks realize that ole Joe is an ASA lifer and DEFINITELY doesn't represent our pilot group. He loves to come on here and brag about how senior he is and how he hopes regionals will continue to get bigger planes since he's never been able to get on with a Major. Most of us are pretty reasonable and easy going, unlike Joe who likes coming on here and stirring the pot to see who he can get a rise out of.
We have two separate pilot groups with two separate MECs with different ideas on how things should be....External pressure will soon be applied that will move things along....
10-23-2012, 06:48 PM
#1189
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
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I suggest everyone reads the last 3 pages of the TPA PDF regarding 'maximum transferrable aircraft' to other Skywest entity.
It's in the yellow MERGE AHEAD link on the ASA ALPA MEC website.
The 2007 contract was amended without your vote. Make up your own mind, on what it says. While your at it; read the whole document.
It's in the yellow MERGE AHEAD link on the ASA ALPA MEC website.
The 2007 contract was amended without your vote. Make up your own mind, on what it says. While your at it; read the whole document.
10-23-2012, 06:49 PM
#1190
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
By the way....The two best regional scope sections were Comair and Eagle...Take that for what it is worth....
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