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Old 10-10-2015, 07:05 AM
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And I have talked to the Union about my decision to leave. They said we hate to see you go, but we understand. Please do us a favor and write a letter to management outlining the reasons for your decision.

Of course, I'll do it.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
I can't think of another industry that such a significant increase in pay would be looked at by anyone as a bad thing. It's a good thing when people leave. It's telling management 'hey if you don't give us a better TA we're not going to be able to recruit people. We NEED more money and opportunity'. From a negotiations standpoint I think it's a good thing.
What it also tells mainline management is that they can send flying from one cheaper carrier to the next, keeping pay down no matter where you go. If the cheap carriers can staff, then mainline isn't forced to open their wallet to provide more money to the regionals, or to bring the lift back to mainline.
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
What it also tells mainline management is that they can send flying from one cheaper carrier to the next, keeping pay down no matter where you go. If the cheap carriers can staff, then mainline isn't forced to open their wallet to provide more money to the regionals, or to bring the lift back to mainline.
What's the data?
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
What's the data?
Hmmm, accountant type huh? Unless you see it on paper, it doesn't exist?
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:44 AM
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CASM is the data that is used to determine the efficiency of an airline. Do regionals publish CASM? I really don't know. The reason I ask is because the new deals at PSA and TSA appear to be at least equal to XJT's. My supposition is that the CASM could be higher at XJT because of the relatively more senior group here then at 'less mature' airlines. AWAC is generally considered to be the industry leading contract along with XJT. It really is impossible to consider every variable. AWAC just turned down their TA days ago. Our MGMT has said our issues can't be fixed by 'throwing money at it'. Our union has prepared us for an 'underwhelming' TA. The writing is not even on the wall, it's written out in your inbox. It's gonna be a crappy TA. And if I were to vote no should I stay here another 2 years waiting for another TA that won't pass muster with the pilot group?

So yeah, I am a data guy. Mostly data, and some gut decision making. We are pilot's. Aren't we trained to base our decisions on data?
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
CASM is the data that is used to determine the efficiency of an airline. Do regionals publish CASM? I really don't know. The reason I ask is because the new deals at PSA and TSA appear to be at least equal to XJT's. My supposition is that the CASM could be higher at XJT because of the relatively more senior group here then at 'less mature' airlines. AWAC is generally considered to be the industry leading contract along with XJT. It really is impossible to consider every variable. AWAC just turned down their TA days ago. Our MGMT has said our issues can't be fixed by 'throwing money at it'. Our union has prepared us for an 'underwhelming' TA. The writing is not even on the wall, it's written out in your inbox. It's gonna be a crappy TA. And if I were to vote no should I stay here another 2 years waiting for another TA that won't pass muster with the pilot group?

So yeah, I am a data guy. Mostly data, and some gut decision making. We are pilot's. Aren't we trained to base our decisions on data?
Yes, we are. But we're also trained to evaluate all data and use all available resources to get it (CRM). Look at the trends as of late, and ask yourself why are certain companies growing while others are shrinking, Compass for example? It's the same product, isn't it? An earlier post spoke of Express Jet having great performance. Shouldn't performance be rewarded if everything else was equal? Clearly it's about money then, and young companies, like Compass have an advantage there.
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:03 AM
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Yes, we are. But we're also trained to evaluate all data and use all available resources to get it (CRM). Look at the trends as of late, and ask yourself why are certain companies growing while others are shrinking? It's the same product, isn't it?
I think that's a great question. And my data interpretation tells me that being owned by Skywest is a huge problem.
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:13 AM
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I think that's a great question. And my data interpretation tells me that being owned by Skywest is a huge problem.
BINGO. Good thing Delta is going to buy us soon.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
Maybe you're assuming what my needs and wishes are. I need more money and a 25-60% increase in pay meets that need. I wish for better experience as a Captain and the ability to log TPIC and that program meets that wish.

I can't think of another industry that such a significant increase in pay would be looked at by anyone as a bad thing. It's a good thing when people leave. It's telling management 'hey if you don't give us a better TA we're not going to be able to recruit people. We NEED more money and opportunity'. From a negotiations standpoint I think it's a good thing.
Dude just go. Notice how only lifer captains are going to give you guff about leaving. They need people under them. FO s are always the first to congratulate you for moving on. Everyone has their own agenda in this industry .
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Old 10-11-2015, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by stanthecaddy
Dude just go. Notice how only lifer captains are going to give you guff about leaving. They need people under them. FO s are always the first to congratulate you for moving on. Everyone has their own agenda in this industry .
I'm a FO, not a captain. No way I will thank someone for giving management what they want.
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