Originally Posted by drrhythm2

In fact, has not the Delta CPA been really bad for you guys over the past few years?

Originally Posted by Kilroy

As a result of the new ATP requirement for pilots in part 121 operations, what will be the impact on pilot supply for part 121 operations? For part 135 operations? For part 141 pilot schools? For Part 142 training centers?


The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment.


For those who think that the pilot shortage will never come. well here it is...

Originally Posted by PeezDog

I just wanted to say how I love these discussions. They go from legitimate discussions about our airline, to bicker arguments about who has the bigger johnson. Who cares who bought who, or what condition the separate airlines were in, or about the certificate. The past is the past, get over it. We are all in the same boat now, so what happens here effects everyone. In a few months (I hope anyway), we will all be on the same seniority list, and whatever flying is lost or gained will affect everyone, whether you were originally at ASA or ExpressJet. Whether you think ASA is better of XJT is better. No matter how much you hate it, we are all the same now. There is no more XJT or ASA, or one side growing or shrinking. Its like some fairy tale where there was never a merger. Grow the F up and act like professional, adult, airline pilots for Christ sake. I can't wait for this thing to be completed, just so I can stop hearing this crap. Rant over. Thank you

Originally Posted by captain beefy

Did anyone else have their blood pressure skyrocket when they saw this? I mean, is this the same lady who brought us SureJet?

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker

After almost 2 years of little to no progress in contract negotiations all of the sudden the MEC thinks we will have a TA in a couple of months. The primary reason for the slow progress being ASA guys dragging their feet. Now that they may shrink due to Delta potentially gutting their 50 seaters they want to play ball all of the sudden.

I am in no hurry to help ASA push our guys on the street. ASA needs to "get on board" right Cpt Tony?

Originally Posted by drrhythm2

Fair enough, but since all of the hiring and growth has been on the ERJ side in the last two years, but ASA starts losing flying, then that 600 or so pilots immediately become furlough protection for the CRJ side of the house. You may see that as fair or not fair, but as one of those 600 or so guys, that scenario really sucks in my eyes.

Originally Posted by PeezDog

Yeah I feel you. I was furloughed from ASA for a year and a half, so I know where your coming from. Unfortunately, that's how this industry works. If your junior, then your the first to go. There's nothing you can do about it if that happens. Its all about seniority and timing. Fortunately, I don't see any furloughs in the near future. With Delta growing and all the retirements starting next year, I don't think you will have to worry about that.

IF this TA passes, its not like the next day, all the 50 seaters will be gone. That will take some time. They can't just cut all that capacity/feed at once. Also, the new 900s, obviously will take some time to deliver. The 717s are coming at a rate of three a month starting mid 2013. Our 200 contracts expire in 2015, if they are here that long. By that time, there should be plenty of movement forward. I think it will be really interesting to see how Delta reacts if the TA is shot down.