Originally Posted by highfarfast

And for two, this ^

Crew scheduling WILL try to tell you that you are wrong and this is particularly bad on reserve where you have more interaction with crew scheduling. They KNOW there are a lot of new guys that are just figuring things out and they WILL push you. Know the reserve rules part of the contract.

Originally Posted by moon

I'm not 100% on this so I may be wrong but my understanding is it's not necessarily interruption unless you feel your sleep has been interrupted. Say calling at midnight for a 4 am rap sounds like I would consider it interuption.

Originally Posted by DilsonWic

That example isn’t possible. Still need 10 hour rest for assignments.

I’m using the on 1015 RAP example and they call at 1005. This exactly happened to me.

I had to carpet dance for this and was shown the document detailing it out. Reach out to union. They have it.

Originally Posted by DilsonWic

That example isn’t possible. Still need 10 hour rest for assignments.

I’m using the on 1015 RAP example and they call at 1005. This exactly happened to me.

I had to carpet dance for this and was shown the document detailing it out. Reach out to union. They have it.

Originally Posted by moon

I guess I understand that one, there probably is a line somewhere as to when it becomes unreasonable.

You did remind me of why they can't assign the 4 am without a confirmation. You need to have knowledge of what your assignment is the following day before entering 10 hours of rest and if you don't confirm they don't know if you had knowledge of it and thus call you at midnight to put you into 10 hours of rest.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Forced reserve guy for over five years. I have only held a line four times in my entire time at Envoy. So trust me I know what I am talking about.

I have no idea how you get it so wrong. If you are on reserve tomorrow and you dont have a reserve assignment then at midnight your rest ends. If you read 117 you would understand that this falls into LONG call rules. A pilot on reserve not specifically assigned a RAP or airport standby is a long call reserve pilot. Once you go into your reserve day and end your rest then you need 10 hours of rest.

The absurd scenario you talk about ACTUALLY happens now. Try it. Works like a charm. It really works when you wait 15 minutes and call them back and then have them give you a 1015 RAP and you get called at 1005 and inform them you interrupted your rest and you need ten more hours. (This is one of those times where you are just sticking it to the guy senior to you instead of the company. Only do this if you really need the day off.) This whole reason is why we have pre assigned RAP 1 on your first day. Day 1 is the only day you are contractually required to come in early. Every other day you can force an 12 pm show time at the earliest. There are guys that actually junior guys that proffer S1 and don’t confirm it just to force a RAP 2 and avoid a S2 or S3. (I actually hate it when guys do this. Please don’t be that guy.)

I wish we could have this conversation over coffee or beers so I would feel less like a “know it all” ass typing this out.

Originally Posted by CrowneVic

Thanks for the schooling! I’ll buy you that beer (or coffee).

Can you explain why if you proffer for S1 and don’t confirm, you can only get assigned a RAP 2?

Can’t CS call you at midnight and assign an S2 or S3 since you would be getting 10 hours of rest prior?

Also, preassigned RAP 1s after days off usually get communicated in an HI6. Isn’t that considered notification, even if you don’t confirm?

Wish this stuff was in an easy-to-understand format. The contract is not good for understanding nuance.

Originally Posted by Iflythe72

Alright so what I’m getting out of everything here is as followed:

-In the first example if I were never to have confirmed after the window closed it would’ve reverted back to 0601 rap.
- if you get rap 1/S1 and don’t want it, don’t confirm and wait for the call at midnight for rap 2 due to interrupted rest

Am I getting this? I’ve read the reserve section and am still deciphering all the language. Obviously a new hire who’s only been on reserve a few months.

Originally Posted by DilsonWic

That example isn’t possible. Still need 10 hour rest for assignments.

I’m using the on 1015 RAP example and they call at 1005. This exactly happened to me.

I had to carpet dance for this and was shown the document detailing it out. Reach out to union. They have it.

Originally Posted by Iflythe72

I’ve been assigned S3 which I didn’t proffer for and actually forgot to confirm and they called me at 901pm to confirm. Anyway out of that being I didn’t proffer for it and it gives the required rest?