dera

London is a bad example because of the APD.

EnyFlyr

How do you list the jumpseat on united? I commute from mexico and taxes on envoy are killing me

BigZ

Is there a difference in taxes/fees D1 vs D2?
On United if you drop the vacation pass on international travel first class is $30-40 vs few benjamins on regular non-rev. But then domestically it's around $40 to list in business (refunded if you get main).

RawHide

D1/D2 same price

FliGuy

Talks are opening up again about Boeing/Embraer buyout. Morningstar article about it this morning.

Jamesthunder

The article I just read said a full buyout was not an option, however they are going to buy a significant portion of the company.

https://www.aerotime.aero/clement.charpentreau/21513-boeing-takes-over-embraer-commercial-plane-production?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email& utm_campaign=breaking_news_boeing_takes_over_embra er_commercial_plane_production_aerotime&utm_term=2 018-07-05

uavking

Deal already announced. Boeing takes 80% of a new jv which is essentially Embraer’s commercial airplane division. See the “Wall Street Journal,” et al.

This is just a way to counter Airbus and the C series (which is still a better airplane with more potential). You could say that it’s a reactionary move by Boeing management.

griff312

Yep, as much as I like and respect Boeing and thier legacy, they pulled a punk move and tried to stonewall Bombardier's export of the C series in the US. For decades, airlines have asked for a narow body aircraft to fill the 100 seat market since Boeing snatched up the MD 95, rebranded it the 717 and discontinued it. Instead, they tried to pump up thier highly successful 737, and told the airlines what they needed instead of listening to them and designing a clean sheet new airframe to fill that 100 seat niche market. Along comes Bombairdier with the C series which is exactly what the industry had been asking for. Delta orders a huge number of them. Boeing gets nervous as they see it's huge threat potential to thier future sales and market share. So Boeing petitions the government to leavy heavy tariffs on imported airliners. (Which is ironic and hypocritical since Boeing exports most of thier products, especially to ME3 and NAI, whom hurt American airline business). This obviously screwed and ****ed off Delta and Bombardier. Airbus is grandfathered out of having to pay the new tariffs (who Delta has a large deal with) stepped up to the plate and saved the day. They made a deal with Bombairdier to import the C Series under the Airbus certificate. Boeing's plan backfired. As part of the deal, Delta cancelled thier 787 orders in exchange for A350 orders, causing those 787 orders to dump onto the market. Thus AA picked up those options for cheap and cancelled thier A350 orders, if I understand correctly.

Cyio

Business is business. No punk moves, just always trying to one up your competitor and protect the shareholders.

NoValueAviator

Doesn't scope prevent Envoy from ever flying the C-series as an AA-owned regional?

edit: I got to check out the C-series FTV-2 when they were doing steep approaches for certification. It is a really cool airplane and far more capable than anything Embraer has ever conceived of.