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06-15-2018, 07:51 PM
#8791
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 17
IF this is true, and that's a huge if, it's probably because either:
A, The RTP pilots are for the most part no closer to meeting captain qualifications than non RTP hires and are therefore not really a high priority at the moment
B, The helo pilots who aren't under some sort of commitment to the Army and want to join the RTP program have already joined. At this point, or at some point soon, the stream of RTP pilots will slow to a trickle at which point it will no longer be worth the cost and manpower overhead to continuing the program.
It's mostly associated with the end of summer vacation for kids and college students so it's a gradual drop off that starts in late August and finishes by late September. Generally speaking October 1st through the start of Thanksgiving is when we do the least flying.
A, The RTP pilots are for the most part no closer to meeting captain qualifications than non RTP hires and are therefore not really a high priority at the moment
B, The helo pilots who aren't under some sort of commitment to the Army and want to join the RTP program have already joined. At this point, or at some point soon, the stream of RTP pilots will slow to a trickle at which point it will no longer be worth the cost and manpower overhead to continuing the program.
It's mostly associated with the end of summer vacation for kids and college students so it's a gradual drop off that starts in late August and finishes by late September. Generally speaking October 1st through the start of Thanksgiving is when we do the least flying.
06-15-2018, 09:00 PM
#8792
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 147
I’m an ex helicopter guy (not RTP). Also I personally don’t care what anyone does either. Just looking at things from a company perspective.
It’s no myth there are guys going on orders that had every intention of doing so after Indoc or after IOE. I personally know of three from my Indoc, and still keep in touch with them. If it works for them then great. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist. Probably the minority.
I have no idea how you find that slanderous. I’m simply offering up a potention reason for the RTP being allegedly dropped if that’s the case. It might simply be the outlay is too expensive and their cadet programs are catching up now.
It’s no myth there are guys going on orders that had every intention of doing so after Indoc or after IOE. I personally know of three from my Indoc, and still keep in touch with them. If it works for them then great. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist. Probably the minority.
I have no idea how you find that slanderous. I’m simply offering up a potention reason for the RTP being allegedly dropped if that’s the case. It might simply be the outlay is too expensive and their cadet programs are catching up now.
06-15-2018, 09:26 PM
#8793
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Pawn
Posts: 1,138
I guess it all depends on his intentions. If he wants to flow to AA, then he’s going to need to come to the line three years before doing so. Two years to get current, get 1000 hours, and go through upgrade training, and one year to meet his flow lock as a captain.
06-16-2018, 07:37 AM
#8794
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Envoy is slowly turning into a desk job. Anyone see the new “policy” regarding video/audio?
What’s next? Can’t converse with the suits?
My only guess is someone took a photo of a sleepy pilot in flight? Or a FA wardrobe malfunction?
Only takes one person to ruin it.
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What’s next? Can’t converse with the suits?
My only guess is someone took a photo of a sleepy pilot in flight? Or a FA wardrobe malfunction?
Only takes one person to ruin it.
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06-16-2018, 08:45 AM
#8795
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
Idk, "don't record people" isn't that bad. Besides that, the best, most rules-focused, cloyingly submissive and obedient employee has probably done 2-3 fireable things by the time he gets off the van for day 1 of indoc. The email might as well read "just a reminder that we can fire you at any time for any reason or no reason, fly safe everybody"
06-16-2018, 08:57 AM
#8796
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Idk, "don't record people" isn't that bad. Besides that, the best, most rules-focused, cloyingly submissive and obedient employee has probably done 2-3 fireable things by the time he gets off the van for day 1 of indoc. The email might as well read "just a reminder that we can fire you at any time for any reason or no reason, fly safe everybody"
It doesn’t say anything about not recording people. It says no using recording devices anywhere on Envoy turf and includes airplanes. I completely understand leaving employees out of your pictures but come on.
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06-16-2018, 09:09 AM
#8797
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
I hear you dude, I'm not trying to litigate what they are or aren't prohibiting with this email. I'm just saying it's not that bad in the context of other rules.
Like culture of respect. Remember pilot, intentions don't matter - only the effects of your words and actions do, and you can be fired for them.
Like culture of respect. Remember pilot, intentions don't matter - only the effects of your words and actions do, and you can be fired for them.
06-16-2018, 10:46 AM
#8800
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 195
Yeah this is going to kill my cool pilot instagram account. So we can’t even take pictures of an empty cockpit on the ground or views of the sky in cruise out of sterile periods?!
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