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05-09-2018, 07:18 AM
#8291
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 49
“once a vacancy bid is awarded and final, an FO who reaches 950 hours and desires to invoke his rights under the standing vacancy bid can volunteer for any vacant and unfilled captain slots left over from the vacancy. The standing vacancy will remain open until the next vacancy is posted.”
So correct me if I’m wrong. Since I’m at 830 hours, they will assign me flying while I’m on reserve to get to 950 hours. Then at that point since I don’t want to elect for an open vacancy, I will still be an FO until I get displaced on the next vacancy bid? Or are they going to start displacing people as soon as they get their time?
Also I don’t know who Sam was talking too but there is not one FO I talked to that wanted to fly more to get their hours and upgrade, he shouldn’t have even put that b.s. sentence in his letter. /rant
So correct me if I’m wrong. Since I’m at 830 hours, they will assign me flying while I’m on reserve to get to 950 hours. Then at that point since I don’t want to elect for an open vacancy, I will still be an FO until I get displaced on the next vacancy bid? Or are they going to start displacing people as soon as they get their time?
Also I don’t know who Sam was talking too but there is not one FO I talked to that wanted to fly more to get their hours and upgrade, he shouldn’t have even put that b.s. sentence in his letter. /rant
05-09-2018, 07:22 AM
#8292
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 49
He’s not in a bubble.
You (and the union then) are using the wrong numbers and people to make these claims. With the exception of the occasional individual that bids a reserve line for a specific day or days off that they couldn’t get through a regular line, IF YOU COULD HOLD A LINE AND BID RESERVE ITS BECAUSE YOU’RE TRYING NOT TO FLY. Those are the people that are likely close to the upgrade and are trying to get some more seniority before they do so. If you are on reserve because you can’t hold a line, then it’s because you don’t have the seniority and with few exceptions aren’t even close to an upgrade and are still not going to get the additional flying assigned.
You (and the union then) are using the wrong numbers and people to make these claims. With the exception of the occasional individual that bids a reserve line for a specific day or days off that they couldn’t get through a regular line, IF YOU COULD HOLD A LINE AND BID RESERVE ITS BECAUSE YOU’RE TRYING NOT TO FLY. Those are the people that are likely close to the upgrade and are trying to get some more seniority before they do so. If you are on reserve because you can’t hold a line, then it’s because you don’t have the seniority and with few exceptions aren’t even close to an upgrade and are still not going to get the additional flying assigned.
05-09-2018, 07:35 AM
#8293
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Pawn
Posts: 1,138
No. We are airline pilots who want to delay upgrade to preserve their quality of life. This is unprecedented at Eagle. You guys had to wait forever to upgrade and spent 7 years slinging gear for your meals.
It’s absolutely bogus that we are forced to give up the ability to have a commutable schedule, time with our families, and overall decent QOL for upgrades to a base that we done want to be in, and for a man who proudly brags that “reserve is supposed to suck.” Don’t get me wrong, I want to be a captain, but I want it on my terms. SP just sold us out with this reserve clause. No if’s, and’s, or buts.
If RW wants captains, then he and Pedro need to belly up to the bar and help facilitate real change. There is no reason that we can’t improve our reserve rules, as well as pay. They’ll learn that fact when this plan doesn’t attract the HVA’s like they’re hoping it will.
It’s absolutely bogus that we are forced to give up the ability to have a commutable schedule, time with our families, and overall decent QOL for upgrades to a base that we done want to be in, and for a man who proudly brags that “reserve is supposed to suck.” Don’t get me wrong, I want to be a captain, but I want it on my terms. SP just sold us out with this reserve clause. No if’s, and’s, or buts.
If RW wants captains, then he and Pedro need to belly up to the bar and help facilitate real change. There is no reason that we can’t improve our reserve rules, as well as pay. They’ll learn that fact when this plan doesn’t attract the HVA’s like they’re hoping it will.
05-09-2018, 07:44 AM
#8295
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 79
He’s not in a bubble.
You (and the union then) are using the wrong numbers and people to make these claims. With the exception of the occasional individual that bids a reserve line for a specific day or days off that they couldn’t get through a regular line, IF YOU COULD HOLD A LINE AND BID RESERVE ITS BECAUSE YOU’RE TRYING NOT TO FLY. Those are the people that are likely close to the upgrade and are trying to get some more seniority before they do so. If you are on reserve because you can’t hold a line, then it’s because you don’t have the seniority and with few exceptions aren’t even close to an upgrade and are still not going to get the additional flying assigned.
You (and the union then) are using the wrong numbers and people to make these claims. With the exception of the occasional individual that bids a reserve line for a specific day or days off that they couldn’t get through a regular line, IF YOU COULD HOLD A LINE AND BID RESERVE ITS BECAUSE YOU’RE TRYING NOT TO FLY. Those are the people that are likely close to the upgrade and are trying to get some more seniority before they do so. If you are on reserve because you can’t hold a line, then it’s because you don’t have the seniority and with few exceptions aren’t even close to an upgrade and are still not going to get the additional flying assigned.
05-09-2018, 08:02 AM
#8296
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 49
No. We are airline pilots who want to delay upgrade to preserve their quality of life. This is unprecedented at Eagle. You guys had to wait forever to upgrade and spent 7 years slinging gear for your meals.
It’s absolutely bogus that we are forced to give up the ability to have a commutable schedule, time with our families, and overall decent QOL for upgrades to a base that we done want to be in, and for a man who proudly brags that “reserve is supposed to suck.” Don’t get me wrong, I want to be a captain, but I want it on my terms. SP just sold us out with this reserve clause. No if’s, and’s, or buts.
If RW wants captains, then he and Pedro need to belly up to the bar and help facilitate real change. There is no reason that we can’t improve our reserve rules, as well as pay. They’ll learn that fact when this plan doesn’t attract the HVA’s like they’re hoping it will.
It’s absolutely bogus that we are forced to give up the ability to have a commutable schedule, time with our families, and overall decent QOL for upgrades to a base that we done want to be in, and for a man who proudly brags that “reserve is supposed to suck.” Don’t get me wrong, I want to be a captain, but I want it on my terms. SP just sold us out with this reserve clause. No if’s, and’s, or buts.
If RW wants captains, then he and Pedro need to belly up to the bar and help facilitate real change. There is no reason that we can’t improve our reserve rules, as well as pay. They’ll learn that fact when this plan doesn’t attract the HVA’s like they’re hoping it will.
I get that you want things on your terms. But FOs actively trying to avoid upgrading hurts the entire airline. It causes JMs and potential VC CXLs, etc. for current CAs. Having to be on RSV and commute to NY for a few months is really not something to complain about when you consider what the newer folks have had handed to them here.
05-09-2018, 11:24 AM
#8297
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 674
People don’t want a worse qol and long commute when they came to Envoy as a second career. The guys that see this as a bucket list job aren’t going to commute from dallas 175 to lga. Even for 3 months of free hotels. Too much is given up for too little increase in pay.
05-09-2018, 11:52 AM
#8298
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 49
People don’t want a worse qol and long commute when they came to Envoy as a second career. The guys that see this as a bucket list job aren’t going to commute from dallas 175 to lga. Even for 3 months of free hotels. Too much is given up for too little increase in pay.
05-09-2018, 11:56 AM
#8299
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Posts: 30
People don’t want a worse qol and long commute when they came to Envoy as a second career. The guys that see this as a bucket list job aren’t going to commute from dallas 175 to lga. Even for 3 months of free hotels. Too much is given up for too little increase in pay.
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