Originally Posted by V1 ROT8

As a line check airman, I still can’t believe I see and hear these questions quite frequently. I ALWAYS take the time to explain, at the very least, the basics of reserve, proffering and bidding to new hires. I know this is technically not part of our job description, but most of us fly the line every week and we have to look out for each other. I can’t imagine sending a new hire to the line without at least making sure they now how to check their schedule, proffer, or check their reserve assignents. If your LCA doesn’t do this, that’s just awfully poor form if you ask me.

Ok, rant off, sorry.

To all the new hires, if your LCA doesn’t explain these things, make sure to ask. If you don’t get any answers or still have questions, reach out to your ALPA mentor. The other advice mentioned above is all good as well. I don’t generally like to spend a lot of time in the crew room either, but when you’re new, it’s a good place to chat with and learn from others who may be on long sits or standby shifts. At least this way all those airport appreciation days become somewhat useful.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

When I was sitting airport standby in NY, pretty much every FO I sat with had no clue about the basics of reserve. LCAs can't be responsible for explaining every aspect or reserve, but a ("Congrats you finished IOE you have three days off and on day three don't forget to proffer and confirm. On day four you will need to be in base for your reserve day....") should suffice. A majority of the FOs I have talked to got the midnight phone call.

Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay

I remember when I was a new hire, there was zero information coming off of IOE transitioning into reserve. I'd notice quite often you would see a new name on the list, and a shiney new MA on their first day. Go figure. There was no information. Luckily my commute required me to come in the day before anyways, so I was able to get an answer in the crew room that I had JFK AM standby. Otherwise I'd also have had a MA. And before people start faulting the new hire for not asking the questions, these people just got blasted in the face for two months from the fire hose, some times you just don't know the proper questions to ask.

Originally Posted by Inop2

Sabre alone is like learning to become a C++ programmer.

Originally Posted by Naviator

You’ve obviously never learned to program C++. Sabre may be arcane and there may be several codes to learn to get the job done, but really, it’s not programming by any sense of the word. It’s just different. It’s not point and click, click and drag, drop down select, but if the old farts who aren’t as smart as all you millennials can figure it out I’m sure you can too.

Originally Posted by Naviator

You’ve obviously never learned to program C++. Sabre may be arcane and there may be several codes to learn to get the job done, but really, it’s not programming by any sense of the word. It’s just different. It’s not point and click, click and drag, drop down select, but if the old farts who aren’t as smart as all you millennials can figure it out I’m sure you can too.

Originally Posted by highfarfast

I agree that Sabre is not programming in any sense of the word but I will say this:

I learned Basic, Pascal, and DOS back in the day (the latter of which I still find useful from time to time) and was so frustrated with how long it took to do simple tasks like copying a 3.5 inch floppy disk in windows when windows first came out, I gave up on computers entirely for several years. That was about 25 years ago.

25 years ago! (or was it 30? man, I'm getting old!)

Anyway, the fact that what we have to do in Sabre ISN'T "point and click, click and drag, drop down select" is pretty ridiculous for this point in time. It's not 1993 anymore after all.

Originally Posted by Inop2

It’s $49.00 a month. Should be free to flight crews but of course it’s not....just another baseball bat shot between the legs at Envoy.