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01-17-2018, 08:17 AM
#6761
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
Because they are basing staffing needs on future staffing requirement projections. They like their projections around here.
01-17-2018, 08:51 AM
#6762
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 135
01-17-2018, 09:13 AM
#6763
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,061
01-17-2018, 10:21 AM
#6764
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 184
01-17-2018, 10:39 AM
#6765
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
It does say at the bottom on the APC recruitment page that the flow is 9 years and increasing so I'm curious as to why a recruiter would make this sort of false statement on a Facebook recruitment page...
01-17-2018, 10:54 AM
#6766
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
I think that was the last class of 2017, which was 58 I think. Probably just didn't get the picture taken until the came back from home study.
01-17-2018, 11:18 AM
#6767
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 3
Upgrades
As a fairly new FO (200 SIC currently), I've been noticing that forced upgrades are certain with many FO's reaching 1000 SIC time. Since I still feel quite new to the atmosphere I'm working in, I almost find it very hard to believe I'll be ready to upgrade at the bare minimum time. Would it be frowned upon or upset the company if someone like me were to intentionally obtain a 2nd class medical instead of 1st so I couldn't be forced into the left seat and buy myself another year as an FO and gain more experience? I know many people may think this sounds silly (because why turn down higher pay), but would appreciate feedback from some guys who have been around a while.
01-17-2018, 11:51 AM
#6768
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 217
As a fairly new FO (200 SIC currently), I've been noticing that forced upgrades are certain with many FO's reaching 1000 SIC time. Since I still feel quite new to the atmosphere I'm working in, I almost find it very hard to believe I'll be ready to upgrade at the bare minimum time. Would it be frowned upon or upset the company if someone like me were to intentionally obtain a 2nd class medical instead of 1st so I couldn't be forced into the left seat and buy myself another year as an FO and gain more experience? I know many people may think this sounds silly (because why turn down higher pay), but would appreciate feedback from some guys who have been around a while.
01-17-2018, 12:33 PM
#6769
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,030
I’m was/am in a similar boat with 400 hrs 121, (1350TT). Even if that would fly I wouldn’t do it. You will be ready enough if you get yourself into the PIC mindset. Don’t let the captain check the books and the weather, etc and just nod and work the flaps without looking into everything yourself. Ask questions and be a sponge and things will work out. 1000hrs is more than you think. Many, like myself, have become airline pilots with less than 1000hrs in an airplane...that’s crazy to think about from the perspective of someone just starting out. In other words, you probably won’t feel the same as you do now, when you actually have the hours under your belt.
Please don’t upgrade unless you are ready. Tell them that. They will understand. The company wants you to upgrade, not necessarily, the union, training, chief pilots, and probably the FAA too. The only reason they’re doing this is to survive another day and keep planes moving, it’s a total safety oversight because of some obscure clause in a contract.
01-17-2018, 01:37 PM
#6770
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 217
I was trying to give them some motivation and reassurance. But your solution is to just “tell them you don’t want to upgrade”? Wonder how many guys that has worked for who didn’t want to upgrade so far...
Pretty sure you have to prove to the FAA/company that you are aren’t ready to be PIC, aka fail your training, then you have a failure on your record following you everywhere. But I’ll be sure to check the box on the next displacement that says “Not ready”
Pretty sure you have to prove to the FAA/company that you are aren’t ready to be PIC, aka fail your training, then you have a failure on your record following you everywhere. But I’ll be sure to check the box on the next displacement that says “Not ready”
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