Envoy
12-28-2017, 03:58 AM
#6361
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
In my opinion, it's somewhat naive to believe the nonsense that "pay raises are just around the corner." A quick look at history shows that punishment and concessions happen immediately, while improvements are painfully slow, and normally don't happen at all.
These are my personal opinions, and not those of any other entity or employer.
These are my personal opinions, and not those of any other entity or employer.
12-28-2017, 04:30 PM
#6362
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Advertised Flow on APC profile
I was looking at the Envoy Air APC profile page. This statement is made in two different places:
"At this point in time, projections for new hires are the 9 year range."
But it doesn't associate the statement with flow time. I guess you have to know what they are talking about and they can have plausible deniablilty on truth in advertising, but it really needs to be stated more succinctly.
"At this point in time, projections for new hires are the 9 year range."
But it doesn't associate the statement with flow time. I guess you have to know what they are talking about and they can have plausible deniablilty on truth in advertising, but it really needs to be stated more succinctly.
12-28-2017, 06:43 PM
#6363
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Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 182
I was looking at the Envoy Air APC profile page. This statement is made in two different places:
"At this point in time, projections for new hires are the 9 year range."
But it doesn't associate the statement with flow time. I guess you have to know what they are talking about and they can have plausible deniablilty on truth in advertising, but it really needs to be stated more succinctly.
"At this point in time, projections for new hires are the 9 year range."
But it doesn't associate the statement with flow time. I guess you have to know what they are talking about and they can have plausible deniablilty on truth in advertising, but it really needs to be stated more succinctly.
12-29-2017, 06:53 AM
#6364
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Violin on the Envoy-tanic
Posts: 175
When discussing the QOL issues at envoy, it’s not about comparing airline life against being shot at in a war zone, we all know they aren’t even comparable, #firstworldproblems. What it IS about is in comparison to what our QOL used to be, and in relation to other regionals.
I’ve been at envoy for well over a decade. When I was hired on, the bid packets had a good mix of day trip, two day back to backs, three, and four day trips. Most of the four day trips were commutable on one or both ends. The three day trips were 18-19 days off and high time. The two day trips would allow locals to be home every day. I haven’t seen schedules like that in quite a while, and the ability for locals and commuters to maximize their time at home has been drastically curtailed. Now, it’s almost all four day trips, all the time. As a commuter, instead of three days off at home, you have to spend your last day off traveling to work, and your first day off traveling back home when the sequences don’t have start and end times conducive to commuting. That effectively reduces you to one day off, and when our lines were 4 on, 2 off for an extended period of time, it was simply becoming unbearable for many commuters because they were never home. I’m not kidding when I say marriages were getting strained, and people were missing their kids growing up.
Running 40% of a base on reserve was and is asinine. Other regionals run maybe 10-15% last I saw, AND don’t have ready reserve.
The inability to get PVD’s or even PO’s to attend things like funerals was a slap in the face as human beings, and up until recently they were impossible to get.
Getting junior manned twice in one month on reserve when you only have 11 days off, and then having scheduling deny any return days you put in for was a sham, especially if they tried to call a multi-day extension “one JM.”
These are just a few of the examples of how our QOL has been degraded over the years in terms of variety of schedules, commutability, time free from duty at home, and how we have been treated in general. I could produce many more, but I think it’s sufficient to say that anyone around my seniority could tell you that our QOL is nothing compared what it used to be. There is no reason for our schedules to be this bad, except for the fact the “new US Airways” doesnt care about how their assignment of regional flying affects things like our QOL. In other words, life at a regional doesn’t have to suck, because I’ve personally seen it much better. People getting hired now think this is normal because they haven’t known anything different, and think the old geezers are just whining and complaining.
I’ve been at envoy for well over a decade. When I was hired on, the bid packets had a good mix of day trip, two day back to backs, three, and four day trips. Most of the four day trips were commutable on one or both ends. The three day trips were 18-19 days off and high time. The two day trips would allow locals to be home every day. I haven’t seen schedules like that in quite a while, and the ability for locals and commuters to maximize their time at home has been drastically curtailed. Now, it’s almost all four day trips, all the time. As a commuter, instead of three days off at home, you have to spend your last day off traveling to work, and your first day off traveling back home when the sequences don’t have start and end times conducive to commuting. That effectively reduces you to one day off, and when our lines were 4 on, 2 off for an extended period of time, it was simply becoming unbearable for many commuters because they were never home. I’m not kidding when I say marriages were getting strained, and people were missing their kids growing up.
Running 40% of a base on reserve was and is asinine. Other regionals run maybe 10-15% last I saw, AND don’t have ready reserve.
The inability to get PVD’s or even PO’s to attend things like funerals was a slap in the face as human beings, and up until recently they were impossible to get.
Getting junior manned twice in one month on reserve when you only have 11 days off, and then having scheduling deny any return days you put in for was a sham, especially if they tried to call a multi-day extension “one JM.”
These are just a few of the examples of how our QOL has been degraded over the years in terms of variety of schedules, commutability, time free from duty at home, and how we have been treated in general. I could produce many more, but I think it’s sufficient to say that anyone around my seniority could tell you that our QOL is nothing compared what it used to be. There is no reason for our schedules to be this bad, except for the fact the “new US Airways” doesnt care about how their assignment of regional flying affects things like our QOL. In other words, life at a regional doesn’t have to suck, because I’ve personally seen it much better. People getting hired now think this is normal because they haven’t known anything different, and think the old geezers are just whining and complaining.
12-29-2017, 07:37 AM
#6366
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
When discussing the QOL issues at envoy, it’s not about comparing airline life against being shot at in a war zone, we all know they aren’t even comparable, #firstworldproblems. What it IS about is in comparison to what our QOL used to be, and in relation to other regionals.
I’ve been at envoy for well over a decade. When I was hired on, the bid packets had a good mix of day trip, two day back to backs, three, and four day trips. Most of the four day trips were commutable on one or both ends. The three day trips were 18-19 days off and high time. The two day trips would allow locals to be home every day. I haven’t seen schedules like that in quite a while, and the ability for locals and commuters to maximize their time at home has been drastically curtailed. Now, it’s almost all four day trips, all the time. As a commuter, instead of three days off at home, you have to spend your last day off traveling to work, and your first day off traveling back home when the sequences don’t have start and end times conducive to commuting. That effectively reduces you to one day off, and when our lines were 4 on, 2 off for an extended period of time, it was simply becoming unbearable for many commuters because they were never home. I’m not kidding when I say marriages were getting strained, and people were missing their kids growing up.
Running 40% of a base on reserve was and is asinine. Other regionals run maybe 10-15% last I saw, AND don’t have ready reserve.
The inability to get PVD’s or even PO’s to attend things like funerals was a slap in the face as human beings, and up until recently they were impossible to get.
Getting junior manned twice in one month on reserve when you only have 11 days off, and then having scheduling deny any return days you put in for was a sham, especially if they tried to call a multi-day extension “one JM.”
These are just a few of the examples of how our QOL has been degraded over the years in terms of variety of schedules, commutability, time free from duty at home, and how we have been treated in general. I could produce many more, but I think it’s sufficient to say that anyone around my seniority could tell you that our QOL is nothing compared what it used to be. There is no reason for our schedules to be this bad, except for the fact the “new US Airways” doesnt care about how their assignment of regional flying affects things like our QOL. In other words, life at a regional doesn’t have to suck, because I’ve personally seen it much better. People getting hired now think this is normal because they haven’t known anything different, and think the old geezers are just whining and complaining.
I’ve been at envoy for well over a decade. When I was hired on, the bid packets had a good mix of day trip, two day back to backs, three, and four day trips. Most of the four day trips were commutable on one or both ends. The three day trips were 18-19 days off and high time. The two day trips would allow locals to be home every day. I haven’t seen schedules like that in quite a while, and the ability for locals and commuters to maximize their time at home has been drastically curtailed. Now, it’s almost all four day trips, all the time. As a commuter, instead of three days off at home, you have to spend your last day off traveling to work, and your first day off traveling back home when the sequences don’t have start and end times conducive to commuting. That effectively reduces you to one day off, and when our lines were 4 on, 2 off for an extended period of time, it was simply becoming unbearable for many commuters because they were never home. I’m not kidding when I say marriages were getting strained, and people were missing their kids growing up.
Running 40% of a base on reserve was and is asinine. Other regionals run maybe 10-15% last I saw, AND don’t have ready reserve.
The inability to get PVD’s or even PO’s to attend things like funerals was a slap in the face as human beings, and up until recently they were impossible to get.
Getting junior manned twice in one month on reserve when you only have 11 days off, and then having scheduling deny any return days you put in for was a sham, especially if they tried to call a multi-day extension “one JM.”
These are just a few of the examples of how our QOL has been degraded over the years in terms of variety of schedules, commutability, time free from duty at home, and how we have been treated in general. I could produce many more, but I think it’s sufficient to say that anyone around my seniority could tell you that our QOL is nothing compared what it used to be. There is no reason for our schedules to be this bad, except for the fact the “new US Airways” doesnt care about how their assignment of regional flying affects things like our QOL. In other words, life at a regional doesn’t have to suck, because I’ve personally seen it much better. People getting hired now think this is normal because they haven’t known anything different, and think the old geezers are just whining and complaining.
12-29-2017, 07:58 AM
#6367
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Spineless pilots like yourself are exactly why our QOL keeps declining. You still want that B scale? How about PBS? I hear that is a BIG winner for the FAs. Yuge! I guarantee it! Let me guess, you’re upset about the reserve throw out?
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12-29-2017, 10:44 AM
#6369
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
I saw that. Absolutely ridiculous. I love how out of one side of Envoy's mouth they say "We're gonna meter the flow" and out of the other side they say "But we're still gonna somehow get you to AA in 6 years".
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