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#6002
Envoy
The next class (Dec 18th) will start class for a couple days, get 3 weeks off, and then come back and then really start training. Hiring 100+ a month is not sustainable with the training department. Look at what happened at Piedmont. They are finally getting things in order, but huge gaps in training is bad for the company and the pilot.
The problem with the flow is that with continued loss of senior captains, check airmen, and instructors, it is hard to train the replacements while also training 100 new pilots a month. It will get worked out, but expect an unofficial slowdown for the holidays.
The problem with the flow is that with continued loss of senior captains, check airmen, and instructors, it is hard to train the replacements while also training 100 new pilots a month. It will get worked out, but expect an unofficial slowdown for the holidays.
Sounds like poor management / reactionary management to me. Mostly vision-less management styles at middle levels. Granted I do see and hear of a lot of changes coming soon but not fast enough. Slow, reactionary management overall. Examples below:
Age 60 rule, FAR117, ATP 1500 hr rule, poor pay- induced pilot shortage(fear based, putting shareholder value above anything), base closures, then base reopening, giving up San Juan to JetBlue, giving up Boston, AA & American Eagle losing so many flying to Delta Air Lines in NYC. Lack of Sims & state of the art Trainers & Professional Sim Instructors (PSIs) to handle large class sizes. Bottle necks in training departments. Inability to fire ineffective managers or executives, operating a very expensive London Club House in while in BK & asking for concessions after concession were given. Then making threats to shutdown Eagle/Envoy thus losing 1,000+pilots faster than we are currently hiring pilots (no faith in your products/pilots), viewing pilots and the union as enemies vs allies.
If recruitment falls, good they will see they bigger picture of things to come! Numbers don’t lie people do. Until then hope that recruitment does not grow. House needs fixing. A lot of Captains have not been made whole, yet money is being thrown into recruitment and New Hires.
Come to ENY for base, come to ENY if you hope to fly for AA one day (when ever that day comes). The crews are close, their is great unity here. I’m proud to be here and work here with highly qualified and experienced captains. Apart from that, vision-less leaders here seldom take take advantage of trends, waves, and opportunities to enhance employees lives (thus customers lives, and products).
Delta has proven investing in employees is an investment (faith in Endeavor) its products. Let’s see if AA has this view of Envoy. That’s what no raises and reactionary business as usual will show.
Last edited by SilentLurker; 12-04-2017 at 09:53 AM.
#6003
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
So true... I’m not expecting anything improving here until the horses back is almost broken. That’s what previous history has shown with today’s management and its predecessor.
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#6004
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 17
Envoy Pay
This might not be the right thread but how does the pay rates work. When it says captains start off at 12 year pay are they starting at 94 or is 68 considered 12 year pay. Also, does a 3 year FO go to year one captain pay or year 3?
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#6005
Can someone with less than 1000TT expect to get fully trained as an FO in whatever they can hold before the swap?
#6006
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 31
A 3 year FO who upgrades would make year 3 Captain pay.
#6007
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
Do new hires get displaced to CA with less than 1000 121 TT? And if so, what is the number, 900, 800, 950?. IE, only have to have 1000 for the Fed ride, or 1000 to start CA training?
Can someone with less than 1000TT expect to get fully trained as an FO in whatever they can hold before the swap?
Can someone with less than 1000TT expect to get fully trained as an FO in whatever they can hold before the swap?
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