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10-07-2017, 06:39 AM
#4961
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I'll answer the how long to upgrade on the E175 question next week. The latest vacancy bid with the new 175 base in ORD will be run on 10/11. As of right now, I believe the most JR awarded CA on the 175 in DFW is a December 2015 hire.
As far as seat locks, FOs cannot bid jet to jet. They are stuck on whatever equipment they get assigned to on day 1 until they upgrade or are displaced. Once you upgrade, you are seat locked for 2 years in terms of bidding different equipment. You are locked 6 months in terms of being able to flow to AA.
As far as seat locks, FOs cannot bid jet to jet. They are stuck on whatever equipment they get assigned to on day 1 until they upgrade or are displaced. Once you upgrade, you are seat locked for 2 years in terms of bidding different equipment. You are locked 6 months in terms of being able to flow to AA.
If you need to wait 6 months to flow to AA what that means? i thought was taking over 6 years to go? Can you be more specific? is there a ways to go AA sooner?
10-07-2017, 06:41 AM
#4962
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10-07-2017, 06:50 AM
#4963
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We have a vacancy bid that is closing in the next couple of days. There is the potential that folks with the minimum 1000 121 and total time that started a little less then two weeks ago could receive the upgrade. There were 80 new captain slots on the 175 in ORD alone + lots of 145. Past historical upgrade times are no longer an indicator of future upgrade times due to the fact that senior FO's are holding out for certain captain slots. Previously upgrades were always 100% seniority based with a few outliers. Now it's personal decisions, which there isn't anyway to predict. So one vacancy it could hit rock bottom new hires, future vacancies it could ratchet up a bit as senior FOs elect to upgrade.
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What's the criteria on equipment choice for a new hire? company needs or seniority?
Are you guys really getting E175 on a 2 per month basis?
If so how many are still coming? Or better saying how long will this continue to happen?
10-07-2017, 07:02 AM
#4964
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interesting APC says Jr E175 is April 2017. It doesn't say that.
Also says you guys are getting 2 E175 per month So that would make a fleet bigger than CRJ. We've gotten 40 orders so far and 4 more will be coming at the end of the year. No options have been announced beyond that yet.
If you need to wait 6 months to flow to AA what that means? i thought was taking over 6 years to go? Can you be more specific? is there a ways to go AA sooner? Yes, this won't be an issue for the vast majority of people. The only people this has affected are CAs last year that bid to the 175 from another jet and had their flow delayed because of the lock. It would also affect a pilot that had decided to ride out their time in the right seat and then last minute towards the end of their time at Envoy wanted to upgrade. If they upgraded, they'd be seat locked. It was a 1 year seat lock for flow but the company just lowered it to 6 months in hopes of finding some super senior FOs that might want to upgrade but are worried about delaying their flow next year. Like I said, none of this should be an issue for new hires.
Also says you guys are getting 2 E175 per month So that would make a fleet bigger than CRJ. We've gotten 40 orders so far and 4 more will be coming at the end of the year. No options have been announced beyond that yet.
If you need to wait 6 months to flow to AA what that means? i thought was taking over 6 years to go? Can you be more specific? is there a ways to go AA sooner? Yes, this won't be an issue for the vast majority of people. The only people this has affected are CAs last year that bid to the 175 from another jet and had their flow delayed because of the lock. It would also affect a pilot that had decided to ride out their time in the right seat and then last minute towards the end of their time at Envoy wanted to upgrade. If they upgraded, they'd be seat locked. It was a 1 year seat lock for flow but the company just lowered it to 6 months in hopes of finding some super senior FOs that might want to upgrade but are worried about delaying their flow next year. Like I said, none of this should be an issue for new hires.
10-07-2017, 07:05 AM
#4965
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The process for equipment choice for new hires just changed. On day 1 of class, the pilots that are in the Cadet program will choose equipment first, guys with prior 121 time will choose next starting with the guy with the most 121 time, the guys left after that will choose by age- oldest to youngest.
10-07-2017, 07:17 AM
#4966
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According to the conference call, the latest LOA that changed it from a 1 year seat lock for flow to a 6 month seat lock was only effective for this bid closing today. For future vacancy bids, it will still be a 1 year seat lock (I'm too lazy to actually look it up but I didn't want you getting screwed in the future having incorrect info).
10-07-2017, 07:50 AM
#4967
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According to the conference call, the latest LOA that changed it from a 1 year seat lock for flow to a 6 month seat lock was only effective for this bid closing today. For future vacancy bids, it will still be a 1 year seat lock (I'm too lazy to actually look it up but I didn't want you getting screwed in the future having incorrect info).
Also I am pretty sure you're fully vested with your 401k after 3 years not 2.
10-07-2017, 08:01 AM
#4968
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10-07-2017, 08:04 AM
#4969
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10-07-2017, 08:06 AM
#4970
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seriously !!! one more lol
ok guy here it goes.
Is the flow really working? I mean they are not screwing you guys up are they?
And if so do you have to be a captain at Envoy already before migrating to AA? is that right?
Is the flow really working? I mean they are not screwing you guys up are they?
And if so do you have to be a captain at Envoy already before migrating to AA? is that right?
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