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Old 04-28-2017, 03:05 PM
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Any number crunchers have a idea of how low this CA award will go?
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Old 04-28-2017, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by moon
Here comes PBS negotiations

Moon....not trying to inturprit your position on pbs but you brought up the subject. While at another regional we used PBS and had the best schedules. Folks....do your own research, repeat, do your own research.....and don't listen to the dinosaurs or union about PBS. I had it at another airline and our schedules were excellent.
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Old 04-28-2017, 03:37 PM
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Moon....not trying to inturprit your position on pbs but you brought up the subject. While at another regional we used PBS and had the best schedules. Folks....do your own research, repeat, do your own research.....and don't listen to the dinosaurs or union about PBS. I had it at another airline and our schedules were excellent.
Dude...if you think that the schedules were better at your old airline because of PBS, you're sorely mistaken. PBS won't magically give us better schedules. PBS would still use the same garbage pairings to generate the schedules. Garbage in, garbage out. PBS or no PBS. You won't magically get good schedules, but you will lose the ability to DTS vacation, get transition conflicts, and there will be substantially less OT for the guys that pick up OT. Please, talk to a scheduling rep and have them explain things to you before spewing more ignorant statements. PBS would be a HUGE concession.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Inop2
Moon....not trying to inturprit your position on pbs but you brought up the subject. While at another regional we used PBS and had the best schedules. Folks....do your own research, repeat, do your own research.....and don't listen to the dinosaurs or union about PBS. I had it at another airline and our schedules were excellent.
It's not about advantages of PBS but rather about advantages of the line bidding system that we have now. For example, nearly 140 hours pay credit in April AND one week off thanks to being able to drop trips around vacation would not have been possible with PBS.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Md5drivr
What?! You gotta be kidding......
Not one bit. I will happily prove it. I've snagged 10 hours of OT to try and improve the paycheck a bit. New hires need to know that they take a paycut the minute they complete IOE and if they're aren't prepared for it then life can be tough.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:31 PM
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Any number crunchers have a idea of how low this CA award will go?
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I'll wager Jan 2016 with DCE being the junior seat.
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:49 PM
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PBS would make the already horrible schedules even more horrible.
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Old 04-28-2017, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
Dude...if you think that the schedules were better at your old airline because of PBS, you're sorely mistaken. PBS won't magically give us better schedules. PBS would still use the same garbage pairings to generate the schedules. Garbage in, garbage out. PBS or no PBS. You won't magically get good schedules, but you will lose the ability to DTS vacation, get transition conflicts, and there will be substantially less OT for the guys that pick up OT. Please, talk to a scheduling rep and have them explain things to you before spewing more ignorant statements. PBS would be a HUGE concession.
You're forgetting that the PBS LOA in its entirety will be re-negotiated. I'm not saying it'll be rainbows, unicorns, and slurpee machines, but what I am saying is....there's a chance.
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Old 04-28-2017, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
PBS would make the already horrible schedules even more horrible.
PBS has worked really well at TSA. I voted it down actually originally. But everyone gets like 15/16 days off even if you're somewhat junior. The only issue is that there's less opentime and somewhat less control of your schedule like transitions but overall the schedules are better than before with more days off.
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Old 04-28-2017, 06:59 PM
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Everyone used to get 15-19 days off here too when we all had 23 hr 4 days and high time two day trips. Now we have 12 hour 4 days. I'm willing to bet tsa had a ton of day trips too. We sure as heck don't now.

Once again. The company makes the sequences and then the computer looks at what you want and creates a line for you. If the sequences are all junk then how will your line look?
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