Originally Posted by moon

Haha I've said very pro envoy things. I enjoy my job it's easy and I barely work. The contract says 41st we go into negotiations is all. We could gain a lot in those negotiations potentially too, an easy way for the company to give up big things and call it a win for themselves with implementing PBS.

Originally Posted by TangoMic

Pay for one (if my research is correct things aren't great at Horizon right now). The main reason, however, is that I'm transitioning from helicopters and at the time Envoy was the only company that not only welcomed my Part 135 Heli and Military experience but also offered to pay my transition costs.

I also like the idea of being able to flow to American at some point in the future. My understanding of the training here is that it is top notch, which is important to me, and I am looking forward to a flying position where safety isn't just a slogan (although I can only assume Horizon does well there too). Finally, I'm not opposed to moving to Texas in the future if I can get based there but we just can't do it quite yet.

I'm excited about the transition -and- a little nervous about the long commute. Any help would be much appreciated. I'll be talking to a couple of my friends at FEDEX and try and get dialed in on their schedules...maybe that will help.

Originally Posted by TheRaven

How many hours do you have in the "big" jet? You sound like a grizzled veteran.

I'm sure you've heard "Size doesn't matter" a few times at least in your life....in this case it's true.

Originally Posted by DollaBillz

That's why I said "as a general rule." Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but the rule is that older guys have more commitments and can't move as easily as young guys can. I think it's a perfectly fair system. Sure, a young guy might have to move and that might suck a little bit, but pretty much every person I know from college has had to move for their job.

It could be worse. I could have been hired at Eagle in the '90's when the market was saturated with pilots, suffered through 9/11, high oil prices, and the worst recession in 80 years, all while flying schitty turboprops on food stamp wages and getting re-assigned bases 4 times. I try never to complain in the cockpit because it's likely that the guy in the left seat did suffer through all that stuff, meanwhile I've basically hit the jackpot. And at Envoy, it's likely that the old guy in the class has already gone through all that stuff as an Eagle pilot and is coming back because the market is better. So with all that being taken into account, yeah, I'm ok with letting the old guy get dibs.

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

Dude that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about age in class. Most other places let you choose equipment or base. Since Envoy doesn't it should be more random vs age.

Originally Posted by DollaBillz

Yes...and most of the 20 something year olds that make up the majority of the class have been flight instructing either at their college or some other joint where they're not originally from. They don't have a "hometown." Most of them are going to have to move regardless of the base they get, and most of them don't have wives, kids, mortgages, or other commitments that make moving tougher. So it's just common sense that the old guys that are more likely to have conditions that necessitate a certain base pick first and the 20somethings that are going to have to move anyway get the scraps. I would actually feel bad if a guy with three kids and a mortgage in a DFW suburb that really really needed DFW has to commute to ORD because I got randomly assigned to pick ahead of him and picked DFW when I can just pack all of my earthly possessions in a 4'x8' Uhaul trailer and am willing to move anywhere to live at base.

I get it, random is technically the "fairest" way to do it, but I think it's just good practice to go by age.

Originally Posted by injun21

This comment is EXACTLY correct.