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Old 04-25-2017, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
Dude that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about age in class. Most other places let you choose equipment or base. Since Envoy doesn't it should be more random vs age.
First, no one cares, ST*U and get over yourself. Or you can go to one of those awesome companies that go by a random method.

The junior guys are going to the 145, the fleet with the most movement. If you don't get the base you want, you probably will before you finish IOE. So what's your complaint? You need a second opinion, you have SJS.

The older guys deserve the seniority just based on the fact that they aren't D Bags on Guard.
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:57 AM
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Had a FO complaining to me about how they need to fix the 2nd year pay cut. Boy that kids in for some rude awakings.
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Old 04-25-2017, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Get over yourself. It's an airplane. Does it really matter what one you get? Seriously? At the end of the day you're a regional driver, and just because your engines hang from the wings doesn't mean that your peers think your a superior pilot. I'm 35 and got the 145 and paycheck is the same as the guys on the 175 and nobody cares. SJS at its finest...
Lies! Utter lies!!!

The guys at Envoy flying planes with underwing engines are, in fact, viewed by their peers as being superior pilots. There are separate crew lounges for 175 drivers with mahogany paneled walls and slurpee machines. Each new hire into the 175 gets special shirt/jacket wings with a little 175 on them, a check for $17,100 and a baby unicorn on day one. Paychecks also include a line item for "UWE" that provides a small bonus each month. I tell you...the bitterness from the "OWE" (over-wing engine) crowd is just pervasive on the forums these days.



In all seriousness though... There are a million ways to assign day one seniority (alll of which put someone at the bottom).

Why not grant seniority by date the interview process began? That way Cadets who spend four years in college and perhaps an additional year instructing while remaining loyal to Envoy get some preference?

Or date the Conditional Job Offer returned?

Or tallest to shortest...that way all the tall folks get a shot at the larger cabin?

Using age simply takes the metric of "career expectations / progression" into account. Those with the shortest time on property get a very small boost in the system on day one. Those with longer careers will have an opportunity to take those spots with the additional remaining years.

No system Is perfect.

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Old 04-25-2017, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DilsonWic
Had a FO complaining to me about how they need to fix the 2nd year pay cut. Boy that kids in for some rude awakings.
Haha. Yeah a first year guy now makes significantly more than a 6 year FO.
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Old 04-25-2017, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DollaBillz
all while flying schitty turboprops
So what makes your Brazilian beer can any better? Too much SJS and think you're above flying a TP? I know you, would've paid your money and gone to Conair to fly the jet.
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Old 04-25-2017, 12:27 PM
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Anyone know when scheduling starts building composite line holders schedule?
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Old 04-25-2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskey4
Lies! Utter lies!!!

The guys at Envoy flying planes with underwing engines are, in fact, viewed by their peers as being superior pilots. There are separate crew lounges for 175 drivers with mahogany paneled walls and slurpee machines. Each new hire into the 175 gets special shirt/jacket wings with a little 175 on them, a check for $17,100 and a baby unicorn on day one. Paychecks also include a line item for "UWE" that provides a small bonus each month. I tell you...the bitterness from the "OWE" (over-wing engine) crowd is just pervasive on the forums these days.
Dang...you gave away the secret! Now they are going to be really jealous.
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Old 04-25-2017, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
So what makes your Brazilian beer can any better? Too much SJS and think you're above flying a TP? I know you, would've paid your money and gone to Conair to fly the jet.
Holds more beer.
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Old 04-25-2017, 02:24 PM
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How long does it take from submitting an application on airline apps to getting some sort of response? E-mail said 48 hours but that has come and gone... thanks!
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