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04-17-2017, 07:11 AM
#2412
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04-17-2017, 07:29 AM
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04-17-2017, 07:42 AM
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Position: E-175 CA
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AA scope permits a certain percentage of the mainline narrowbody fleet worth of hulls to be outsourced. That outsourcing is divided into "small" and "large" RJs, with the cutoff being 65 seats. 66 seats is a large RJ, 65 a small one. Up to a certain percentage of the Eagle fleet is allowed to be large RJs. By configuring a 700 with 65 seats, it counts the same as a 200 or a 145 for scope purposes, opening up room for more 900s or 175s. Mainline could also add more narrowbody hulls to their fleet, which would also allow more RJ hulls at Eagle carriers. Delta and United have hard number limits on their outsourced hulls, rather than percentages of the mainline NB fleet.
04-17-2017, 11:03 AM
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No. Envoy shows 31 tails on airfleets.net, but that does not include 51 or 52 of which many propaganda pictures exist. All information indicates the last delivery will be August.
The other question is how many first officers have been hired and assigned the airframe for training. The April 10th class only had ONE person receive the 175. Depends who you believe:
or:
Only what HAS happened will prove to be fact.
A lull in staffing of the 175 would make sense if an attempt to get caught up on the up to eight week delay in 175 FO training as well as large number of recurrents to do as well.
BUT, if Envoy does not continue to hire into the 175, or at the very least start having some DFW 145 slots in hiring, DFW is not attainable for a new hire, no matter the age. Saying "you can bid back to DFW before you finish training or maybe a month or two" is not the same as receiving a DFW assignment day one. Staffing is too dynamic. It may or may not happen. Recruiting is going to suffer.
Of course, going to a company hoping to get based at the headquarters location is usually difficult because it is usually senior. Anyone with the delusion of being based at DFW after a long wait for a flow to AA is in for a rude awakening.
The other question is how many first officers have been hired and assigned the airframe for training. The April 10th class only had ONE person receive the 175. Depends who you believe:
or:
Only what HAS happened will prove to be fact.
A lull in staffing of the 175 would make sense if an attempt to get caught up on the up to eight week delay in 175 FO training as well as large number of recurrents to do as well.
BUT, if Envoy does not continue to hire into the 175, or at the very least start having some DFW 145 slots in hiring, DFW is not attainable for a new hire, no matter the age. Saying "you can bid back to DFW before you finish training or maybe a month or two" is not the same as receiving a DFW assignment day one. Staffing is too dynamic. It may or may not happen. Recruiting is going to suffer.
Of course, going to a company hoping to get based at the headquarters location is usually difficult because it is usually senior. Anyone with the delusion of being based at DFW after a long wait for a flow to AA is in for a rude awakening.
Second thing.... recruitment will not hurt if we stop hiring straight into DFW. The rate of pilots coming in the door along with the drop of upgrade time will keep things moving and time to DFW will stay low. There is no other option for a pilot that wants DFW. MESA lol. express jet - well unfortunately things aren't looking too well for them. If a pilot wants DFW then Envoy is the only reasonable choice.
04-17-2017, 12:00 PM
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Couple things... Envoy management is anticipating more 175s... will it happen? Only AAG has the answer and it is likely to be similar to LGA. A quick high volume change over from Compass to Envoy out of LAX is what I'm guessing is being planned. This is HIGHLY speculative and may not even be close to what happens in the near or long term future.
Second thing.... recruitment will not hurt if we stop hiring straight into DFW. The rate of pilots coming in the door along with the drop of upgrade time will keep things moving and time to DFW will stay low. There is no other option for a pilot that wants DFW. MESA lol. express jet - well unfortunately things aren't looking too well for them. If a pilot wants DFW then Envoy is the only reasonable choice.
Second thing.... recruitment will not hurt if we stop hiring straight into DFW. The rate of pilots coming in the door along with the drop of upgrade time will keep things moving and time to DFW will stay low. There is no other option for a pilot that wants DFW. MESA lol. express jet - well unfortunately things aren't looking too well for them. If a pilot wants DFW then Envoy is the only reasonable choice.
04-17-2017, 08:26 PM
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Current scope with a stable narrowbody mainline fleet of 790 at AA allows for:
590 total RJs
315 Large RJs
275 Small RJs
Between Skywest, PSA and Envoy there are 110 CR7s that will likely be configured to 65 seats to stay in the small RJ category
The 118 ERJs plus 35 PSA CRJs will likely be the long term 50 seaters since those aircraft don't start timing out until the 2020's. Combine those totals, phase out the PDT dash fleet and ARW CR2s and include a few random 140's and SKW CRJs and that equals AA's allowed small RJ total going forward. Additionally, I bet they keep adding CR7 retreads as they become available from other airline contracts since it would be highly unlikely they order anymore fresh from the factory.
118 CR9s and 144 E75s mean there is room for 50ish more large RJs. They're coming, it's just a matter of which type and when.
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