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Old 04-09-2017, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
I don't doubt Piedmont getting more planes, but there is a strong indication from many in envoy management that LGA is going to double in size for us. More planes are slated to go there without anymore shrinking of other bases.
right, thats why skw grows every month in ord for aa while envoy in ord shrinks and dfw barely holds its own after 50% loss of flying.
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Old 04-09-2017, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
I don't doubt Piedmont getting more planes, but there is a strong indication from many in envoy management that LGA is going to double in size for us. More planes are slated to go there without anymore shrinking of other bases.
That's not good for recruiting, not many want to go to LGA.
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Old 04-09-2017, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ParkingatMIA
If I'm a line holder, and the last flight of the trip is a deadhead back to base, can I just cancel the deadhead and nonrev back home without calling crew scheduling?
Absolutely just commute back home!! Now if you were on reserve then NO. But as a line holder you don't have to worry about doing that last DH. Don't even call CS or check in for the flight. If you call and tell them you aren't going to do it, then they will dock you pay. Don't ask/don't tell works great here.

If they end up asking if you took the DH for some weird strange reason then don't lie about it.
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Old 04-09-2017, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rondonq1
Unfortunately my friend you have the wrong hombre. I am former Eagle pilot who flowed but am not of who you are speaking above.

I live through many years at Eagle and can say that the things there are never worse than now than from anytime my entire life time. You have been washed in the brain and in addition are completely drunk on cool aid the company has served you. The Envoy of today is no where near a paradise. It is regional airline that is of similar size to psa, or compass or mesa. And unfortunate for you, those companies have better lifestyle and work rules than envoy does today.

Envoy working conditions are similar in style to a gulag in soviet union or cuba. Having many junior mans each month and year is no way a good quality of life. Only haveing two days off between a 4 day trip is very bad quality of life. Management who issue missed assignment for refusing junior man or even calling fatigue is similar to this dictatorship I mention above.

You have to start somewhere and work somewhere so envoy will have people there. But my friend, you should checkin to rehab clinic for detox for the company cool aid.
Hmmm.... I don't disagree that certain aspects of Envoy have deteriorated. Schedules, MA for fatigue calls, JMs and base closings have been tough to deal with. But, to say that Envoy is worse then ever before seems to be a gross overstatement. Furloughs, 10 year upgrade, flow backs, flow through violations, prop planes, reduced rest, LOW FO pay. Anyone who got hired here 2015-2016 hit the airline jackpot in terms of pay, flow time, equipment and upgrade time. Not sure how you can argue you guys have it better then these guys. Maybe the early 90s guys but even y'all had to deal with the whipsawwing and mergers of AE.
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Old 04-09-2017, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Subpilot
Were you not aware of this 7 months ago when the LOU was signed?
Haha, yes I was aware 7 months ago. I'm just trying to educate/remind others.
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Old 04-10-2017, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
Haha, yes I was aware 7 months ago. I'm just trying to educate/remind others.
This maybe one of the reasons why some are by passing the upgrade. JMs, lower seniority, expected flow date, commuting and good QOL on reserve are a few other reasons FOs are choosing not to upgrade.
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Old 04-10-2017, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Absolutely just commute back home!! Now if you were on reserve then NO. But as a line holder you don't have to worry about doing that last DH. Don't even call CS or check in for the flight. If you call and tell them you aren't going to do it, then they will dock you pay. Don't ask/don't tell works great here.



If they end up asking if you took the DH for some weird strange reason then don't lie about it.


This is bad advice.

Don't do this if you're a probie (not sure if any are even line holders yet).


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Old 04-10-2017, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Absolutely just commute back home!! Now if you were on reserve then NO. But as a line holder you don't have to worry about doing that last DH. Don't even call CS or check in for the flight. If you call and tell them you aren't going to do it, then they will dock you pay. Don't ask/don't tell works great here.

If they end up asking if you took the DH for some weird strange reason then don't lie about it.
Guarantee does not get reduced if NSHW. You just don't get credited for the flight but guarantee does not drop.

And just a heads up, I know many do what you're saying but might not be sound advice. Doesn't hurt to just call and get the NSHW on your schedule then you're free and clear because they approved it.
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Old 04-10-2017, 05:40 AM
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Class numbers for today? (Breakdown of a/c and base?)

Thanks in advance !
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Old 04-10-2017, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SkylineAviation
Guarantee does not get reduced if NSHW. You just don't get credited for the flight but guarantee does not drop.

And just a heads up, I know many do what you're saying but might not be sound advice. Doesn't hurt to just call and get the NSHW on your schedule then you're free and clear because they approved it.
This. Just call and let them know. You could non rev home and 99.9% of the time it would be fine. But all it takes is that one time for that manager waiting for you when your scheduled DH gets in to JM you and you're not there. That can cause a big, big problem for you with some pretty big consequences.
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