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10-25-2018, 10:55 AM
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Do you guys know how an ATS works? AA uses Oracle Taleo.
Even if a degree is only "preferred", you need to be way above your peers to get past the scoring. Something that's pretty much impossible for a mid-30's career changer.
Even if a degree is only "preferred", you need to be way above your peers to get past the scoring. Something that's pretty much impossible for a mid-30's career changer.
10-25-2018, 11:28 AM
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10-25-2018, 11:34 AM
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You’d be correct. I don’t know where this rumor came about of AA wanting all these extra Envoy flows just to be told no by Envoy. Talking to the guy that negotiated the extra 4 flow slots, Envoy had to go to AAG just to get that approved. It’s not an Envoy thing, it’s an AAG thing. Think about it rationally, why would AA rob it’s regional feed when there are more than enough independent candidates with apps on file? Anyone who’s heard that AA recruiting wants more Envoy flows...well that’s completely false.
10-25-2018, 11:50 AM
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You’d be correct. I don’t know where this rumor came about of AA wanting all these extra Envoy flows just to be told no by Envoy. Talking to the guy that negotiated the extra 4 flow slots, Envoy had to go to AAG just to get that approved. It’s not an Envoy thing, it’s an AAG thing. Think about it rationally, why would AA rob it’s regional feed when there are more than enough independent candidates with apps on file? Anyone who’s heard that AA recruiting wants more Envoy flows...well that’s completely false.
In the rest of the world pilots start out on 737's and 320's with less than 500 hours.
10-25-2018, 12:02 PM
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AA has access to every flow pilots file, flow candidates would be far superior to street hires because they know exactly what they are going to get. Flying a legacy airliner doesn't require 5k-10k hrs of flying experience, that is just to going rate that legacies seem to be comfortable with on the gamble of a street hire.
In the rest of the world pilots start out on 737's and 320's with less than 500 hours.
In the rest of the world pilots start out on 737's and 320's with less than 500 hours.
Edit: I see you don't even work here yet. So you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Carry on...
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10-25-2018, 12:18 PM
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10-25-2018, 12:24 PM
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Another guy not on property that has no idea what he's talking about. Maybe right at this moment it's harder to get hired as an FO. Solely because they hired a ton of FOs and can't use them at this particular moment. But just because it's harder to get on as an FO at this exact moment in time doesn't mean that they weren't hiring anyone they could get before now. And it most certainly doesn't mean they won't do that again once things start moving again. Are you an Envoy schoolhouse guy? Are you an Envoy Check Airman? If not, than you have no first hand experience as to what kind of people have been coming through the Envoy pipeline. Sorry, if it's hard for you to get on right at this moment, but that's not how it's been and not how it will stay.
10-25-2018, 12:38 PM
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If that's the theory you choose to believe, go for it. Let's put aside the fact that the former NC Chairman informed me that Envoy had to approach AAG and beg them for additional flow slots. Of course, AA would love to give up its own discretion and give up its direct control over hiring and just take more flows from a subsidiary that hires absolutely anyone they can get. Because they love flows...
Edit: I see you don't even work here yet. So you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Carry on...
Edit: I see you don't even work here yet. So you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Carry on...
10-25-2018, 12:55 PM
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Hiring from within is not a new concept... I don't have to work at Envoy or American to understand the benefits from hiring in-house. I might not fully understand the intricacies of Flow vs Military vs Street but it seems fairly clear the benefit of knowing what they are going to get prior to training.
10-25-2018, 01:08 PM
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I just don't understand this logic you're trying to conceive yourself of. Knowing what they are going to get is keeping the hiring in their own hands and thereby completely controlling what they are going to get. Not just taking what another airline hires whether they like it or not with absolutely no say.
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