Servian

Lol, I never mentioned cockpit noise. In fact, I have the chance to do a transition for the 737 for the company I fly for right now (a mainline in South America) and I'm willing to give up on that and even get a big pay cut in order to fly in the US as you guys say, a regional airplane that is basically the same thing as a CRJ or a E145, which I may agree, but right now those are not my priorities (that's why I mentioned it would be better for me but not a must) if I have to do a transition I'm willing to do it, we all have a long career and will be flying lots of different airplanes so who cares. Right now in this particular moment, changing countries, new company, new procedures, new peers and new everything in my life, I'd rather feel somewhat comfortable with what I'm flying at first, what's the big deal anyway, I just asked Envoy or Republic?

dl773

Republic has shorter upgrade times and no pay cap for FOs.

Flightcap

The big deal is lots of people on here want to jump on other folks' motivations if they don't exactly match a prescribed set of parameters. And the only people who get to set those parameters are the jumpers. Find the regional that best suits your quality of life and basing desires would be my input. If you don't mind early starts/late finishes, some of Republic's outstation bases have lower costs of living. We used to have some of the best pay out there, until the American wholly owned companies bumped their new hire bonuses. $40/hr and $12,500 (current 121) bonus is still a pretty good deal for your first year. End of the day, you probably can't go wrong. I personally think Republic is a better choice but I work here so take it with a grain of salt.

Reservist

Serious question.

How will republic continue to staff the airline, when they offer equal pay minus a flow through.

If they survive it's going to be with a smaller, ever shrinking fleet, and the longest upgrades because of no movement and an inability to attract new hires.

Just my opinion.

Doesn't make sense to me why anyone would go there.

PleaseComplete

Just a wild guess here but in my humble opinion it will be the next XJet. The history looks similar to me in that they bumped the pay way up but have long upgrade times(by today's standards). If they stop bringing people in then the upgrades will slow even more. Recruiters are hanging their hat on "best training and shiniest jets" - just go to an interview to see for yourself.

Almost everything they hope to do in the future hangs on a wing and a prayer. Waiting on AA to sign this contract while meanwhile AA is throwing big money to build up their wholly owned. I think (again just a humble opinion) if AA is able to staff their wholly owned they are not going to sign these deals Republic is banking on. With the money AA is throwing out via their WO they are going to be hard pressed to compete. Also, if you look at the Republic thread, United isn't given them as many aircraft as they were originally going to(I think if I understood correctly).

Then factor in that the same ****ty management that drove them into a "coffin corner" of bankruptcy is the only way out is the same management still driving the bus. Just read through the Republic threads, pilots in general do not seem to like the management at all. You don't just break your contracts and write new ones and it expect it to be all hunky dory. That's like winning an argument with your wife. If you don't believe that fosters ill will that will be long remembered I got a bridge for sale....

After all those considerations, their lines aren't that good and their outstations suck even worse. If you take Miami out of the equation I don't think anyone would go there unless they happened to already live in base.

Add in they are a Teamster union - seems to be 50/50 on how people feel about that.

So yea, my opinion totally agrees with your opinion - I don't know why anyone would go there.

knewyork

What makes you say the fleet will shrink? RAH has deliveries coming. And guys are leaving at a rate comparable to what flows are supposed to do, but with more variety rather than people going to 1 company.

slinger

What say ye to those who say unless you are military or at a WO, you will never go to AA mainline?

PleaseComplete

I'd say that's untrue.

There are obviously pilots at Republic that are happy and pilots that went to Republic that have went on to work at all the major and lcc airlines, including AA.

dl773

As if a flow is the end all be all for staffing, and nobody can staff without a flow. . . and that's a serious question?

SkyWest can staff without a flow AND less pay.

KCaviator

With a ton of 50-seaters still, you really think Envoy's not going to shrink in the future?