boiler07

It didn't displace anyone.

boiler07

Agreed. My point being that they won't take the decision nearly as lightly as they have in the past.

Bigpimppilot

I agree with boiler on this displacement thing. It's not 2008 and pilots aren't a dime a dozen anymore. At least until a regional goes under. They aren't going to displace unless they have to. That said there's no telling what they will consider desperate. Perhaps they will desperately need to get rid of the crj immediately and then all those guys may want the 175 and push new hires off of it. Perhaps that is why the Ord 175 bid was cancelled. They figured the 175 going up there would reduce the need for the crj up there and the bean counter math would call for a displacement, and in doing so dry up all hiring. Just a thought

Skyvector

Stand by for some good news:

Pretty big Captain vacancy coming out next week or the week after that at the latest. To be followed in another 1.5 months by another rather large vacancy bid.

buddies8

heard they are after the compass feed

boiler07

Yes

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Jersdawg

The new pay/bonus structure is an acknowledgement that there is a fight to get pilots to come to ENY. Any displacement (even if small) will send the train off the tracks IMO, and I think the company knows that, so I believe that they will do anything they can to avoid it. Obviously when/if the CRJs start going over to PSA they will have to do something but I doubt they will until then.

RyanP

I like how RAH has click ads on here trying to one up us on pay now. They have to use false advertising to do it.. but nice try.

Their ads say now they are the highest paid, they get 59,500 first year.. (They had to use per diem, and benefits plus extra hours though to get the numbers that high, which Envoy did not use). The Captain claim is even worse.. You have to figure 88 hours of pay per month for a year to get that 80,600 in wages and 94,000 total compensation number. Which nobody gets as a first year CA since you are definitely on reserve. Plus they used an even higher per diem than the FO, why is their per diem higher? Because of Fake artificially inflated extra pay hours included in the calculation??

If Envoy also figured in benefits, per-diem, *AA profit sharing estimite for next year then it would be closer to 70K first year. Maybe we should figure in adding 25 hours of 200% OT per month too and make an ad that says 80K first year? lol

I don't know why either company is using figures of 83 hours pay per month first year. It's unrealistic with reserve and training. They "should" go off min guarantee since that is what is realistic as a new hire pilot on reserve with a couple months of training in there too.

Aviatrx

I think the $54,000 at Envoy is based on 1000 hours of flying at the new rate plus bonuses. No per-diem. A new hire or most pilots are very likely to hit 1000 hrs of credit per year. It does appear the RAH #'s are also a stretch of the truth. I can't really blame them for trying.

AdiosMikeFox

Did you mean unlikely?