Envoy Flow #'s
#111
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The bolded part is absolutely a false statement. I would give no regard to any of the negativity you see here. It's all done by a few disgruntled ex employees who have an ax to grind with the company. Their statements carry zero weight and are not true whatsoever.
You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.
You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.
#112
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The bolded part is absolutely a false statement. I would give no regard to any of the negativity you see here. It's all done by a few disgruntled ex employees who have an ax to grind with the company. Their statements carry zero weight and are not true whatsoever.
You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.
You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.
#113
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Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
The bolded part is absolutely a false statement. I would give no regard to any of the negativity you see here. It's all done by a few disgruntled ex employees who have an ax to grind with the company. Their statements carry zero weight and are not true whatsoever.
You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.
You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.
You're joking, right?
No. Of course not. I'd list all the issues we have here, but they are plain as day if anyone reads this thread. I'll not be baited into some anti-envoy rant by a posi-troll like you.
Pay no attention to CR, he's like a timeshare salesman. He'll tell you all about the location, amenities and investment opportunity regarding the ski resort home but neglect to tell you the only week available is in May after the snow is gone and everything's turned to mud. And it takes an average 8 years to trade into a winter week.
#114
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You're joking, right?
No. Of course not. I'd list all the issues we have here, but they are plain as day if anyone reads this thread. I'll not be baited into some anti-envoy rant by a posi-troll like you.
Pay no attention to CR, he's like a timeshare salesman. He'll tell you all about the location, amenities and investment opportunity regarding the ski resort home but neglect to tell you the only week available is in May after the snow is gone and everything's turned to mud. And it takes an average 8 years to trade into a winter week.
No. Of course not. I'd list all the issues we have here, but they are plain as day if anyone reads this thread. I'll not be baited into some anti-envoy rant by a posi-troll like you.
Pay no attention to CR, he's like a timeshare salesman. He'll tell you all about the location, amenities and investment opportunity regarding the ski resort home but neglect to tell you the only week available is in May after the snow is gone and everything's turned to mud. And it takes an average 8 years to trade into a winter week.
It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.
#115
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Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
Envoy Flow #'s
No doubt there are issues here. But there are issues at every regional and major airline.
It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.
It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.
I'll be glad to get on board as soon as I feel that attitude is reciprocated by our company. I will also not fail to continue to point out the issues we have here because the only way to pressure management these days seems to be bad press. As far as I know they've pretty much walked away from any negotiations, it's dead silent. That means we're stuck with what we've got. I've said it multiple times before. Show me the problems we have are being worked on and I'll change my stance. Until then, it's been openly stated they are happy with our performance. They have zero motivation to change anything, IMO. I give all info about ENY, not just the bad. I'll gladly help someone come work here if they want to.
#116
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
No doubt there are issues here. But there are issues at every regional and major airline.
It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.
It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.
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#117
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Your understanding? Have you even taken your type ride yet? You haven't even learned how to keep up with your shiny new jet much less understand the industry. The flow is a contractual provision, just like pay, days off and vacation days. Why don't you get a few years under your belt in this profession before you grace others with your "understanding".
Let me illustrate. Remember the beginning of this summer how all the town crier's and naysayers where running around saying that envoy management were going to cancel vacations etc. We are now in the end of July and not one vacation was cancelled. The same proves true with the flow. You will always have the members of the Envoy Haters Club ( their leader was recently banned btw) claiming the flow won't work. The fact reminds, it has worked. Even this summer, pilots flowed during June, July, & August even though the company wasn't contractually required to during the recall of the furloughed pilots. Why on earth, would a company, so shorted staffed that they "were going to cancel vacations" continue to flow pilots that they were required to?
It is not out of the goodness of their hearts. Its a recruiting and retention tool. They know that if they slow to stop the flow, there will be a mass exodus and the new hires will stop. Just like a company could choose to not pay their employees on Friday, but how many will show up on Monday? Whatever problem they attempt to solve by not writing checks, this week will cost them far more next week.
AAG views the flow as a zero cost alternative to better pay and compensation. All the regionals will have to increase their pay and benefits as the competition for new hire regional pilot intensifies. Only the AA and Delta Wholly Owns will have direct access to their Mainline's deep pockets. If there is any chance to the flow, it will be a positive improvements, not a slow or stoppage.
Let me illustrate. Remember the beginning of this summer how all the town crier's and naysayers where running around saying that envoy management were going to cancel vacations etc. We are now in the end of July and not one vacation was cancelled. The same proves true with the flow. You will always have the members of the Envoy Haters Club ( their leader was recently banned btw) claiming the flow won't work. The fact reminds, it has worked. Even this summer, pilots flowed during June, July, & August even though the company wasn't contractually required to during the recall of the furloughed pilots. Why on earth, would a company, so shorted staffed that they "were going to cancel vacations" continue to flow pilots that they were required to?
It is not out of the goodness of their hearts. Its a recruiting and retention tool. They know that if they slow to stop the flow, there will be a mass exodus and the new hires will stop. Just like a company could choose to not pay their employees on Friday, but how many will show up on Monday? Whatever problem they attempt to solve by not writing checks, this week will cost them far more next week.
AAG views the flow as a zero cost alternative to better pay and compensation. All the regionals will have to increase their pay and benefits as the competition for new hire regional pilot intensifies. Only the AA and Delta Wholly Owns will have direct access to their Mainline's deep pockets. If there is any chance to the flow, it will be a positive improvements, not a slow or stoppage.
#118
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Explain how it has started? In full detail. Not some abstract pie in the sky emotional “feeling”. $100 bucks you can’t.
#119
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Are you saying you disagree with my point of the flow being contractual or the other points in the post I quoted?
#120
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The Phase 1, 2 and 3 re-open plan that has already begun. It won't be overnight but things are gradually going to open between now and 5/31 and you will begin to see the turnaround.
Are you saying you disagree with my point of the flow being contractual or the other points in the post I quoted?
Are you saying you disagree with my point of the flow being contractual or the other points in the post I quoted?
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