My Personal Experience at Envoy
03-28-2016, 03:53 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: Reclined seat
Posts: 629
12-13 days off a month SUCKS. You have been here 5 years and you can't do better than that with a measly 80 hour line? Let's not kid ourselves either: the CRJ700 is well known for having MUCH better schedules than the EMJ145, which makes up most of our fleet right now.
I would honestly be astounded if you pulled 100-110 hours of credit AVERAGE over 12 months. I've never met anyone, in 20+ years, pull over 100 average for a year. If you pulled 85 hours of actual flying per month, you would time out.
My guess is that you did this a few times, are overstating your pay, and desperately want to sucker new hires into your ponzi scheme for self fulfillment. Either way, honest or not, 12-13 days off per month S U C K S! Especially for a senior FO on our Cadillac fleet. I guess its better than the 5 year FOs here on the EMJ in DFW that I fly with. They get 11-12 days off per month with 70 hour lines and virtually no chance to do better. If it is a matter of perspective between that, you are right, you are a pimp.
I would honestly be astounded if you pulled 100-110 hours of credit AVERAGE over 12 months. I've never met anyone, in 20+ years, pull over 100 average for a year. If you pulled 85 hours of actual flying per month, you would time out.
My guess is that you did this a few times, are overstating your pay, and desperately want to sucker new hires into your ponzi scheme for self fulfillment. Either way, honest or not, 12-13 days off per month S U C K S! Especially for a senior FO on our Cadillac fleet. I guess its better than the 5 year FOs here on the EMJ in DFW that I fly with. They get 11-12 days off per month with 70 hour lines and virtually no chance to do better. If it is a matter of perspective between that, you are right, you are a pimp.
03-28-2016, 03:55 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
Posts: 1,537
03-28-2016, 04:01 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,524
If it hurts your butt crack just ignore the thread.
Freedom of choice and self control. Try it. It ain't that hard.
Freedom of choice and self control. Try it. It ain't that hard.
03-28-2016, 04:05 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
There are some issues with what he says. 13 days off. Before open time. Lives in base.
In other words, if you live in base, want to work your butt off to less than 13 days off, have no life (unmarried, no kids) other than work, and no need to worry about commuting, life is good.
OTOH, if you weren't willing to uproot your family from one of the 5 closed bases, get trips that you can't commute from (April scheds across the board in ORD all have a non-commutable sequences, some lines have all sequences with a non-commutable start or finish) you lose those 13-14 days off to commuting on your day off. Get a line full of those trips and maybe you get 8-10 days free of work related activity.
Vastly different perspectives due to personal circumstance and tolerance to working all the time.
JMO, live in base if you consider going to ENY. Otherwise the current schedule environment is punishing.
In other words, if you live in base, want to work your butt off to less than 13 days off, have no life (unmarried, no kids) other than work, and no need to worry about commuting, life is good.
OTOH, if you weren't willing to uproot your family from one of the 5 closed bases, get trips that you can't commute from (April scheds across the board in ORD all have a non-commutable sequences, some lines have all sequences with a non-commutable start or finish) you lose those 13-14 days off to commuting on your day off. Get a line full of those trips and maybe you get 8-10 days free of work related activity.
Vastly different perspectives due to personal circumstance and tolerance to working all the time.
JMO, live in base if you consider going to ENY. Otherwise the current schedule environment is punishing.
03-28-2016, 04:12 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,054
There are some issues with what he says. 13 days off. Before open time. Lives in base.
In other words, if you live in base, want to work your butt off to less than 13 days off, have no life (unmarried, no kids) other than work, and no need to worry about commuting, life is good.
OTOH, if you weren't willing to uproot your family from one of the 5 closed bases, get trips that you can't commute from (April scheds across the board in ORD all have a non-commutable sequences, some lines have all sequences with a non-commutable start or finish) you lose those 13-14 days off to commuting on your day off. Get a line full of those trips and maybe you get 8-10 days free of work related activity.
Vastly different perspectives due to personal circumstance and tolerance to working all the time.
JMO, live in base if you consider going to ENY. Otherwise the current schedule environment is punishing.
In other words, if you live in base, want to work your butt off to less than 13 days off, have no life (unmarried, no kids) other than work, and no need to worry about commuting, life is good.
OTOH, if you weren't willing to uproot your family from one of the 5 closed bases, get trips that you can't commute from (April scheds across the board in ORD all have a non-commutable sequences, some lines have all sequences with a non-commutable start or finish) you lose those 13-14 days off to commuting on your day off. Get a line full of those trips and maybe you get 8-10 days free of work related activity.
Vastly different perspectives due to personal circumstance and tolerance to working all the time.
JMO, live in base if you consider going to ENY. Otherwise the current schedule environment is punishing.
03-28-2016, 04:25 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 388
You guys who think life sucks need to go work at some other companies. Like Mesa where I came from. You don't know the half of it.
I'll put it to you in caveman terms:
My life at Mesa: Bad.
My life at Envoy: Good.
I'll put it to you in caveman terms:
My life at Mesa: Bad.
My life at Envoy: Good.
03-28-2016, 04:47 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
What's your obsession with this guy? You have a counter post for each post of his. He's just trying to stop newbies from making an awful mistake, or at least make the mistake with eyes wide open. I mean come on already.
03-28-2016, 05:03 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Yes, it is clearly an obsession, but to be clear, I don't think Envoy is necessarily a mistake for every prospective pilot. That is simply the misconception this small core of individuals wishes to create about me to discredit my opinions. For some pilots, Envoy might be the best fit. But there should be no illusions about timing of upgrade or flow which is speculation based on the most optimistic projections and as such will likely not be met.
03-28-2016, 05:11 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: the right side
Posts: 1,378
Exactly, some of these guys at regionals that never did anything other than waltz into a 121 carrier have no clue what it's like outside of a regional. Go fly 135 freight at night, go fly 121 non-sked. I cannot believe how much easier my job is at a regional than my past jobs flying freight were.
03-28-2016, 05:18 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,111
Thanks for the post. Currently deciding which carrier I'm going to head to in the coming months to (hopefully) live in base and Envoy is currently at the top. Glad to hear things have turned around.
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