more growth at envoy
03-21-2016, 10:18 AM
#21
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If this BIG ANNOUNCEMENT is even more frames, you may even see the flow restricted starting in October/November depending upon other attrition rates and also the ability to bring new hires in. Which obviously ain't happening in the numbers you need.
Looks like the SS Envoy is taking on water fast and it's starting to sink.
03-21-2016, 10:35 AM
#22
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Big news better be them running separate classes for flows throughout the remainder of the year to make their flow targets. A few extra aircraft coming back aren't going to make enough room for the advertised upgrade numbers. I don't see anything on the horizon that will dramatically improve our schedules overnight.
Do tell what this fantastic news is going to be and how the company will manage to screw something else up in the process.
Do tell what this fantastic news is going to be and how the company will manage to screw something else up in the process.
03-21-2016, 11:21 AM
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Don't tell the PSA guys because they're a little butt hurt right now, but if they can't step up their game, CRJ700s are coming back to you guys.
Congrats on the news today, glad things are turning around for you guys!
Congrats on the news today, glad things are turning around for you guys!
03-21-2016, 11:21 AM
#26
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I am still trying to figure out how your costs allow you to be competitive with Mesa, as Mesa operates on razor thin margins. Weren't you guys considered a "cost center", not a "profit center"?
Well in either case, it seams you have the same number of aircraft as Mesa, but about 600 more pilots than Mesa.
It very well could be about who has the most pilots, not about performance, or costs.
Well in either case, it seams you have the same number of aircraft as Mesa, but about 600 more pilots than Mesa.
It very well could be about who has the most pilots, not about performance, or costs.
03-21-2016, 11:42 AM
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Big news better be them running separate classes for flows throughout the remainder of the year to make their flow targets. A few extra aircraft coming back aren't going to make enough room for the advertised upgrade numbers. I don't see anything on the horizon that will dramatically improve our schedules overnight.
Do tell what this fantastic news is going to be and how the company will manage to screw something else up in the process.
Do tell what this fantastic news is going to be and how the company will manage to screw something else up in the process.
03-21-2016, 11:54 AM
#28
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So take the 700s, heck take some 900s. It will be the Ceo and the DO that will be out of a job when it all ends, not the pilots.
03-21-2016, 12:17 PM
#29
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Continuing the flow even with Letter T pilots would indeed be pretty big news for those who would flow. But still, I don't see that as something tangible that would attract others. It would also mean faster contraction further impeding the almighty upgrade that pilots seem to chase the most.
Stopping the flow = bad press, continuing the flow in the face of adversity = good press.
Makes room for upgrades.
Makes ENY more attractive.
All the other carriers we hear so many bad things about are still able to attract new hires because of movement. We're still trying to pull our feet out of the mud.
No matter. I'm sure the news will be underwhelming. Well, maybe not entirely. The rumor on another thread here is a July bid for an MIA base. Great if you live there, but doesn't fix the other problems we have.
03-21-2016, 01:24 PM
#30
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DWI Dougie in his 'you're my best buddy' crapola again. Next week it's Piedmont. everybody's gotta wonder if a lifetime under his horse5h1t is remotely worth it. If your projected flow is > 2 years, he'll find a way to screw you, count on that.
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