New Envoy Information
01-28-2016, 02:17 PM
#921
Pilot
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 149
This just in.......
Ric Wilson says, "We cannot release more than 30 due to operational necessity. Flow and attrition rates currently exceed our new hire rate. Our surplus is quickly depleting."
Taken from Eaglelounge from one of the DFW reps.
If they are claiming we are understaffed with zero-time lines, minimum to below guarantee lines, and reserves flying ZERO hours, at what point are we properly staffed?
envoy management has shown their hand that they have no intention to follow any agreed upon contract or award. Choose wisely if you have any desire to "flow" because their illustrious recruitment tool appears to be a farce.
Ric Wilson says, "We cannot release more than 30 due to operational necessity. Flow and attrition rates currently exceed our new hire rate. Our surplus is quickly depleting."
Taken from Eaglelounge from one of the DFW reps.
If they are claiming we are understaffed with zero-time lines, minimum to below guarantee lines, and reserves flying ZERO hours, at what point are we properly staffed?
envoy management has shown their hand that they have no intention to follow any agreed upon contract or award. Choose wisely if you have any desire to "flow" because their illustrious recruitment tool appears to be a farce.
01-28-2016, 02:19 PM
#922
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Folks, you just can't make this stuff up...............well, apparently some try their best though.
01-28-2016, 02:24 PM
#924
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
But apparently DFW alone has a mind-boggling near 50% reserve coverage with many hard lines built to the low 60 hour range (down in some cases to 11 days off to boot) and you defend the premise that they "can't let the pilots go" ?
YGTBFSM !
To pour salt in the wound, according to a union source, it appears that not only did management NOT notify the Association before releasing the latest information, the Association believes that management IS NOT............repeat, IS NOT honoring the flow agreement. It would appear that you are living on a different planet then the rest of the Envoy pilots, including the Association.
YGTBFSM !
To pour salt in the wound, according to a union source, it appears that not only did management NOT notify the Association before releasing the latest information, the Association believes that management IS NOT............repeat, IS NOT honoring the flow agreement. It would appear that you are living on a different planet then the rest of the Envoy pilots, including the Association.
01-28-2016, 02:27 PM
#925
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 490
Reserve coverage is not "near 50%". It's in the mid 30s.
01-28-2016, 02:33 PM
#926
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Is that consistent in all domiciles ?
Most carriers operate with less then that AND have hard schedules built to at least 75 hour averages. Combine the two and the claims is they cannot release another 5 pilots/month ?
I consider that smoke and mirrors, fuzzy math and undefendable excuses.
Most carriers operate with less then that AND have hard schedules built to at least 75 hour averages. Combine the two and the claims is they cannot release another 5 pilots/month ?
I consider that smoke and mirrors, fuzzy math and undefendable excuses.
01-28-2016, 02:59 PM
#927
Pilot
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 149
Is that consistent in all domiciles ?
Most carriers operate with less then that AND have hard schedules built to at least 75 hour averages. Combine the two and the claims is they cannot release another 5 pilots/month ?
I consider that smoke and mirrors, fuzzy math and undefendable excuses.
Most carriers operate with less then that AND have hard schedules built to at least 75 hour averages. Combine the two and the claims is they cannot release another 5 pilots/month ?
I consider that smoke and mirrors, fuzzy math and undefendable excuses.
01-28-2016, 03:08 PM
#928
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
No, not an Envoy pilot. Actually, I never was, I was an "American Eagle" pilot, but that carrier is no longer, both in name and spirit. Still know people there who deserve better and it appears they are still being jerked around by just about everyone, including a few of their own pilots here. I just think any pilot who is considering Envoy should get both sides of the story and another POV, but obviously some there don't like that. At least it appears more and more already there are starting to get the message, especially considering these latest statements from the company and the union.
01-28-2016, 03:17 PM
#929
Pilot
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 149
No, not an Envoy pilot. Actually, I never was, I was an "American Eagle" pilot, but that carrier is no longer, both in name and spirit. Still know people there who deserve better and it appears they are still being jerked around by just about everyone, including a few of their own pilots here. I just think any pilot who is considering Envoy should get both sides of the story and another POV, but obviously some there don't like that. At least it appears more and more already there are starting to get the message, especially considering these latest statements from the company and the union.
01-28-2016, 04:31 PM
#930
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,371
No, not an Envoy pilot. Actually, I never was, I was an "American Eagle" pilot, but that carrier is no longer, both in name and spirit. Still know people there who deserve better and it appears they are still being jerked around by just about everyone, including a few of their own pilots here. I just think any pilot who is considering Envoy should get both sides of the story and another POV, but obviously some there don't like that. At least it appears more and more already there are starting to get the message, especially considering these latest statements from the company and the union.
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