AdiosMikeFox

Same goes for you.

Go call one of your friends to look it up, if you have any. It has to do with the arrival of the 175. They sent exactly as many as they were supposed to.

But I guess our contract is just spin, right? Or the fact that your "facts" are full of it.

Eaglepilot84

So by your logic, we should trust them to true up to 50% later this year because that's what the award states, even though they should have released 50% this month BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE AWARD STATES. Am I following your logic?

AdiosMikeFox

Either you're willfully ignorant or just cherry picking.

I can't believe I looked this up just for you:

As you say: "THAT'S WHAT THE AWARD STATES."

You don't get to pick and choose which part of the award is applied. As to the true up...who the heck knows. If there aren't a large number of letter T pilots, things should be OK. If a bunch come back we're screwed unless the work some schoolhouse magic.

PilotJ3

If a bunch of t pilots goes back to AA, even street hires are screwed.

AdiosMikeFox

Yes. It's bad for everyone downline except for the T pilots.

Eaglepilot84

So if you're not defending managements actions are you okay with the fact that we didn't send 50%? It's a simple yes or no question.

Why didn't you highlight the part of the award that clearly states 50%? Or the part of the original 824 agreement which highlights when it is acceptable to meter? Here it is for your viewing pleasure...

"As such, AE management will release no fewer than 20 AE pilots per month in a month in which AA is entering new hire pilots into training, in an effort to meet the 50%. If AE management determines that they can release more than 20 pilots in any given month, they will do so. "

So my question to you is do you think management had a viable reason for determining they could not release more than 30 pilots? (For those unfamiliar, this is the original 824 agreement. The number 20 was changed to 30 as part of the most recent contract)

And please, don't talk to me about stock advise. I'm not an expert and never claim to be. I was merely shooting down the fact that you said something to the effect that I have no forward thinking in one of your many petty jabs which I've seen amongst a lot of you recently.

AdiosMikeFox

No. I am not ok with it. I disagree with what the company is doing. 50% is 50%, but they use their own math.

The stock jab? So be it. You used it in defense against a comment that had nothing to do with you, which I already told you had nothing to do with you. If you wish to make it about you, please continue to bring it up.

Eaglepilot84

This just in.......

Ric Wilson says, "We cannot release more than 30 due to operational necessity. Flow and attrition rates currently exceed our new hire rate. Our surplus is quickly depleting."

Taken from Eaglelounge from one of the DFW reps.

If they are claiming we are understaffed with zero-time lines, minimum to below guarantee lines, and reserves flying ZERO hours, at what point are we properly staffed?

envoy management has shown their hand that they have no intention to follow any agreed upon contract or award. Choose wisely if you have any desire to "flow" because their illustrious recruitment tool appears to be a farce.

eaglefly

My points exactly and simply reporting the FACTS as they appear. Anyone here is free to review this thread say, 2 months back and you'll find MULTIPLE posts from the salesmen how 30+/month (360+/year) WILL flow to AA in 2016 (in fact, Sky even went so far as to claim ALL Captains with flow selection will be gone by end of this year) and according to MikeFox Envoy is not overstaffed, but they are just "front-loaded" to cover supposed planned increased attrition later in the year.

Well, the latest update confirms those claims are now inaccurate (I knew that all along and have said so ) and in fact, according to the above are UNDER-staffed for future anticipated attrition and thus that is why they are withholding to minimum flow rates. It sounds as if they anticipate a downturn in new-hires, as well. I think that's probably likely as the cadet programs don't put out regular consistent bodies, but are grouped around graduation months like early Summer and end of year for availability a month or two later.

The important point to note is that things change quickly and yesterday's claims are tomorrows disappointments, at least that has been the history at Envoy. Those who've been selling those claims are now finding it hard to dispute the facts and thus I anticipate a new and improved smokescreen must be devised.

snippercr

How many pilots flowed in the month of January?