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Old 06-11-2022, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
The CBA expires then so they will more than likely negotiate an entire new contract. But the rates approved for 2024 and beyond are higher than any other regional at this time, for both CPT & FO
The CBA was just extended to 2029.
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Old 06-11-2022, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
The CBA was just extended to 2029.
It was a LOA For Pay thru 2029, not the entire CBA
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Old 06-11-2022, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
It was a LOA For Pay thru 2029, not the entire CBA
"Under the agreement, the CBA is extended until 1 July 2029. Without an extension, the current CBA was set to become amendable December 2024".
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Old 06-11-2022, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Deltawb
Dude, wth… you got the best deal in the industry! Give your fellow pilots in the MEC kudos ! Nice job envoy I’m actually very envious .
Despite what they want you to believe, less than ten days ago the entire ENY MEC said they were quitting because Envoy was doing nothing to address the attrition. Do you really think they had anything to do with this? Just like everything else, AAG decided on something and sent it down to ALL THREE wholly owned regionals.

I have said for a while that the regional model saves too much money, even if they have to throw a LOT of money at it short term, to let it die. And a big part of that is making sure they have LCAs, etc to keep the training going.
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Old 06-11-2022, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Despite what they want you to believe, less than ten days ago the entire ENY MEC said they were quitting because Envoy was doing nothing to address the attrition. Do you really think they had anything to do with this? Just like everything else, AAG decided on something and sent it down to ALL THREE wholly owned regionals.

I have said for a while that the regional model saves too much money, even if they have to throw a LOT of money at it short term, to let it die. And a big part of that is making sure they have LCAs, etc to keep the training going.

The market negotiated this itself. Im curious as to how this will actually improve the operation as I would think people are now more motivated in general.
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Old 06-11-2022, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
It was a LOA For Pay thru 2029, not the entire CBA
it was the entire CBA
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Old 06-11-2022, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
"Under the agreement, the CBA is extended until 1 July 2029. Without an extension, the current CBA was set to become amendable December 2024".
So how long does the 5 year flow thing last? It says anyone who wanted to flow but hadn't within 5 years gets moved to the 20 year CA pay rate, but is that also only short term (2 years) or all the way through 2029?
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Old 06-11-2022, 04:48 PM
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So a pilot working at Envoy for 15 years will make less than a pilot working at Envoy for 6 years???

Did I read that right?
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Old 06-11-2022, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAsking
So how long does the 5 year flow thing last? It says anyone who wanted to flow but hadn't within 5 years gets moved to the 20 year CA pay rate, but is that also only short term (2 years) or all the way through 2029?
it’s part of the CBA. All the way through 2029. The only thing that short term is the premium pay of 150% across-the-board
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Old 06-11-2022, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAsking
So how long does the 5 year flow thing last? It says anyone who wanted to flow but hadn't within 5 years gets moved to the 20 year CA pay rate, but is that also only short term (2 years) or all the way through 2029?
The thing to remember is 20 year CA after 2 years is only 147/hr. Much better off at an ULCC.
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