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12-10-2020, 06:46 PM

#6611

Finessed

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Joined APC: Nov 2020

Posts: 459

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Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss

Neither one of us was there so it’s easy to say “I would’ve/wouldn’t have...”
Also this is still pure speculation on what occurred until the facts are published.

Yeah I agree, but we both know if that’s what occurred both crew members will be at fault.

12-10-2020, 07:43 PM

#6612

TransWorld

Gets Everyday Off

Joined APC: Aug 2016

Position: Fully Retired

Posts: 7,000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sperrysan

Hey who needs brakes when you have grass to stop you

That’s what the golfer said when his ball ran off the green.

12-11-2020, 10:03 PM

#6613

JonSnow

Line Holder

Joined APC: Aug 2016

Posts: 58

What if you shut down 2 and then start apu? Will it still kick out nws?

12-12-2020, 04:45 AM

#6614

Cyio

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Joined APC: Mar 2017

Posts: 3,790

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonSnow

What if you shut down 2 and then start apu? Will it still kick out nws?

I don't believe so. I think it is the relationship between the APU starting and shutting down #2 too soon.

12-12-2020, 08:04 AM

#6615

dera

In a land of unicorns

Joined APC: Apr 2014

Position: Whale FO

Posts: 6,633

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonSnow

What if you shut down 2 and then start apu? Will it still kick out nws?

The problem is the logic in power transfer, it does not work right if BATT2 is isolated as it is when starting APU, it drops down to AC ESS for a second.

12-12-2020, 09:47 AM

#6616

Propeller

Crewroom Couch Warmer

Joined APC: Aug 2019

Position: 145 FO

Posts: 98

Meanwhile the 145 is a superior aircraft since it works just fine on the ground without any of this loss of steering nonsense

12-12-2020, 09:51 AM

#6617

3400

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Joined APC: Mar 2018

Position: Feeder of Amber

Posts: 229

Quote:

Originally Posted by Propeller

Meanwhile the 145 is a superior aircraft since it works just fine on the ground without any of this loss of steering nonsense

Right, it just slides off on a beautiful sunny day in the Bahamas. 😉

12-12-2020, 11:24 AM

#6618

ClappedOut145

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Joined APC: Apr 2020

Position: AOG

Posts: 807

Quote:

Originally Posted by Propeller

Meanwhile the 145 is a superior aircraft since it works just fine on the ground without any of this loss of steering nonsense

http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...s/ASR17-02.pdf

I'm going to just leave this here.

12-12-2020, 12:07 PM

#6619

pangolin

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Joined APC: Jul 2017

Position: CRJ9 CA

Posts: 4,083

Quote:

Originally Posted by coodrough568

Really our pilot group is on par with the most professional and well respected of all of the regionals. If everybody could just pop their head out of their a$$es and stop screwing up, that would be great. I was wondering earlier, I’d like to see the demographics of who has been causing all of the off-runway excursions. Has it been cadets? Has it been RTP? How much experience do they have? It’s just odd to me that we seem to have some of the higher educated, more (previously, maybe) well trained pilots and things like this KEEP happening. It’s hard to not play Monday morning quarterback....but

Do we know the root cause of any of the incidents? No airline is immune. It’s an industry wide problem. The frequency is just bad luck or proportion of fleet.

12-12-2020, 12:46 PM

#6620

Finessed

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Joined APC: Nov 2020

Posts: 459

Quote:

Originally Posted by coodrough568

Our FOQA team should know the root causes. We know the causes of a few. But the company stays quiet about most. It is an industry wide problem, and yes the frequency is unfortunate. I’m just like everyone I guess, after about 3-4 back to back I step back and ask WTF

Only one possible explanation to this phenomenon; glitch in the matrix.

OR you need to start having limitations on Max Taxi speeds. (I don’t work at envoy, maybe you already do).