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12-17-2017, 04:58 AM

#6561

Knobcrk1

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I think it’s safe to say no one is coming here for the flow anymore since it’s obvious it won’t be 5 to 6 years if you just do a little research. The 5 to 6 could be a possibility for guys hired in 2016.

12-17-2017, 10:00 AM

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HoustonPilot

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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

Yes, I would agree. According to ALPA my flow is FEB 2023. I do not know if that is based on historical averages or bare minimum flows per month but I am keeping my options open.

12-17-2017, 10:31 AM

#6563

Gooselives

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Originally Posted by HoustonPilot

Yes, I would agree. According to ALPA my flow is FEB 2023. I do not know if that is based on historical averages or bare minimum flows per month but I am keeping my options open.

Damn!!! American will hire you before Envoy lets you go!

12-17-2017, 12:11 PM

#6564

bigtime209

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Originally Posted by HoustonPilot

Yes, I would agree. According to ALPA my flow is FEB 2023. I do not know if that is based on historical averages or bare minimum flows per month but I am keeping my options open.

It's based on bare minimum flow.

12-18-2017, 06:34 AM

#6565

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Originally Posted by bigtime209

It's based on bare minimum flow.

What's the story with unprotected? I believe it's 25% per hiring class right? Also, being unprotected, can't the company just say, "meh you've had 1 late show so we're not gonna let you go".

12-18-2017, 06:43 AM

#6566

DilsonWic

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Originally Posted by HoustonPilot

What's the story with unprotected? I believe it's 25% per hiring class right? Also, being unprotected, can't the company just say, "meh you've had 1 late show so we're not gonna let you go".

I’m not certain, but I think you have to be on a step letter to not flow.

12-18-2017, 11:53 AM

#6567

bigtime209

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Originally Posted by HoustonPilot

What's the story with unprotected? I believe it's 25% per hiring class right? Also, being unprotected, can't the company just say, "meh you've had 1 late show so we're not gonna let you go".

The group of pilots hired after the protected pilots and that were on the list prior to the TA being signed drop from 50% to %35 of AA monthly classes with the meter dropping from 25 to 15 pilots a month. Everyone hired after that through present day, the formula equates to the LESSOR of %25 of all AA new hire training slots FOR THE YEAR [B]or[B] five new hire training slots, increased by one training slot for every 125 pilots above a base number of 480, multiplied by the number of calendar months per year. So...%25 or less for the whole year.

And yes, after the PP group the company can withhold you from flowing if you have any active disciplinary letters in your file.

12-18-2017, 03:30 PM

#6568

TransWorld

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A couple of months ago I was chatting with an Envoy Protected Pilot. He was scheduled to flow in Dec/Jan and was 12 years. There were a number of Protected Pilots ahead of him that have already flowed. He estimates in about 2 years they will have worked through the Protected Pilots list. YMMV.